<<I see women doing it everyday while driving to work on the highway doing 50 mph while holding a "starschmucks*" coffee in the other hand.... how difficult can it be?>>

They are normally the ones who cause other people or themselves to have car accidents. Or miss the light that change and are the result of road rage. Or at least my road rage.


<In all honesty I think there are already enough penalties applied to paint and it shouldnt require anyone else to gain maximum potential. Here's a breakdown Warpaint has limited usage, downtime, Rt to apply and use it, it wears off with inactivity and then theres the cost, supply/demand (ie not like the merchant is a permanent fixture)>>

While i see the penalties, there are plenty of intimidation boosting items beyond warpaint. If warpaint was the only thing I'd probably agree more. I use warpaint often, but i use berserk nightmare while hunting all the time.

"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~

Having been in the Marine Corps and having applied camo face paint to myself more times than I can begin to remember....it is not necessary to have someone else paint your face, or even use a mirror to apply it. Is it easier to apply it to someone? yes Is it easier to apply it using a mirror? yes Is it necessary to have someone else do it or use a mirror for max effect? no

If we are doomed to the path of "better for someone else to apply it"...how about instead of having it be more effective when someone applies it, it just be a decreased RT when someone else does it?

And for references to "it's hard to get those intricate designs painted on yourself"...my opinion on warpaint is that I would personally be more intimidated if someone had black or red swathes crudely wiped across their face than some detailed intricate wren in flight, I think it would make them look more crazy, mad, etc. Just my opinion.

Stu

My biggest question is.....

What happens to warpaint after mech split.


"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~

>>The most complex it gets I think is a dragon flying over a castle or something - which boggles how we could even get that intricate to begin with.

PHEER SLAUGHTER CHIEF TYLER.

http://www.balloonanimalaniacs.com/images/Tyler_dragon.JPG




~Thilan

I thought only non barbarians had to kneel to be painted? I was thinking as you said that was kind of the joke on people who wanted paint who were not barbs, I thought we could paint each other standing.

<<We're not painting the Sistine Chapel on our bodies here. The most complex it gets I think is a dragon flying over a castle or something - which boggles how we could even get that intricate to begin with.

Uh..think cave painting maybe? ;)

Alright so I am a bit confused about folks getting negative penalties from self-applied warpaint. I can understand that someone without the proper mech lore might paint his face so badly that people laugh at him. That part makes sense. What I do not understand is how a barb with good mech lore (like I believe some of the testers had) would mess it up so bad. At worst I'd expect there to be no bonus or penalty if you have sufficient skill.

Messaging to indicate what level of success you had seems like a reasonable request. Then at least you would know you need more skill, less wounds, whatever. You could wipe it off, waste an application (and some time) and try again or ask someone to help you out.

Could the people that applied the warpaint and received penalties post their mech lore as well as the frequency at which you got a penalty please? I'm interested to see if applying warpaint with my barb has always been to my disadvantage. I bought loads of the stuff believing it was going to be an enhancement to the guild. The concept might seem logical, but in practice there has to be some give and take especially for those barbarians that have braided the vines, crushed the grass and worked in the forge enough to improve their finger painting skills :P

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You throw your juggling pins precisely at Captain Tevel's chest, hitting it with a decent strike that explodes the chest in a shower of blood and splintered ribs.
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For reference I got mine at 272 ranks of mechanical lore.

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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.

Did somebody actually confirm that it was based off of mech? At this point I think it's just speculation.


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You raise your hands in the air. You wave them like you just don't care. Somebody says, "Hey!" Somebody says, "Ho!" Somebody screams.

It might be my imagination, but I thought Iayn originally said Mech played into your ability to apply it. I guess it is time to do some post digging :P

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I'm currently evaluating the application of warpaint and it's effects on the person it is applied to.


~Aurdun
Barbarian Guild Advocate
Gor'Tog Co-Champion

>>I'm currently evaluating the application of warpaint and it's effects on the person it is applied to.

Nice.
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Okay here's something to note. I had someone much higher circle paint Drex but his charisma is much lower than hers and his mech is lower. It lowered Drex's charisma just wearing the paint. Then I painted him and Drex and it had no modifyer at all on either.

>So uh, you can't even be painted with custom warpaint by someone else so it would be kind of curious if the best effect required another painter.

heh. Priceless.
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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.

<<>So uh, you can't even be painted with custom warpaint by someone else so it would be kind of curious if the best effect required another painter.

Please forgive if this is a stupid question, but, is not the 'custom warpaint' a design made for ONE person? I mean it would kind of make rather silly if someone else could paint you with the design only YOU have/know...yes?

per Aurdun

>One more thing of note is a bit of a reminder: the effects of warpaint are going to be better if someone else applies it to you than if you apply it to yourself.
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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him.

<<In case it was confusing, people can't apply it to Navak and Navak can't apply it to other people.

Again, the word custom and the idea ONE person that paint was for, leaps to mind :) Please understand, I know I could be wrong here but that is my vision of what was intended for "custom" warpaint.

<< understand your thematic point, but I agree with Navak here. Someone else must paint you for best effect. Custom warpaint can only be self-applied. Ergo, custom warpaint is doomed to be worse than normal warpaint.

Is this not making a rather large leap, in that, how does one know that said GM did not consider that and, adjust for it?

Hey Team Barbarian,

Ok, first off. I want to point out that I've only tinkered with the system and haven't gotten into it hardcore as I have with other systems in the game. However, I want to bring up some points that I've noticed with the system and also some opinions.

I've read a few stuff in this folder to keep me semi up to date. People are pointing out that mechanical lore seems to be the primary factor to applying warpaint. Why? It seems like agility and maybe even reflexes can affect how you properly apply your warpaint correctly - perhaps even more than mechanical lore. Agility pretty much helps every skill or ability that is used with your character's hands. Reflexes can affect the fact you don't want to flinch when applying them. I wouldn't be surprised if circle affects applying warpaint to some degree as a more experienced may know more about warpaint than others (or at least should know more).

It seems that there is a cap on the roundtime when applying, but it varies based on the difficulty of the location.

For all who are not sure about the warpaint system, there are 48 patterns and 10 locations.

It would not surprise me at all if each of these locations and patterns had a numerical value attached to them.

As an example:

Face - 0
Forehead - 1
Right cheek - 2
Left cheek - 3
Cheek - 4
Face and neck - 5
Face and torso - 6
Face and arms - 7
Face and legs - 8
Face, arm and legs - 9

From the locations 0 through 4 (those are all one spot locations. Face, forehead, right cheek, left cheek, cheek), where the RT seems to be capped at 3 to 4 seconds usually.

Locations 5 through 8 are all two spot locations. This includes face and neck, face and torso, face and arms, face and legs. The RT here seems to be capped at 7 to 8 seconds usually.

As an example:

The warpaint location fires you with confidence!
You smear your face and neck with warpaint.
Roundtime: 7 sec.

Location 9 is for face, arms and legs. You'd think this would be the longest roundtime to apply and the warpaint system doesn't disappoint us with that. It seems to be around 11 seconds for applying with the face, arms and legs area.

Each character has an appropriate location and symbol for them. Phii did get this correct while I was gone. However, I think she may be a little off on a few points.

There are two positive messagings to indicate you seem to get a bigger boost from your subsequent usings of the warpaint - i.e.: activate usage like SCREAM, CONCENTRATE, STARE, MEDITATE.

These don't seem to just vary based on your location, but the paint you used.

In terms of best to worst for the increase in the active verb for warpaint: Plunderer, Berserker, Savage

Better paint = better results. I'm told that custom warpaint has better duration than normal warpaint, but cannot verify as I do not have my custom warpaint yet, only a voucher for custom warpaint. Besides duration, I wonder if custom warpaint would have better results (at least slightly better) in terms of effect than normal paint?

When Aurdun wrote: "the effects of warpaint are going to be better if someone else applies it to you than if you apply it to yourself." My guess as to what he means is that the percentage of you getting a negative result goes down if someone else applies the warpaint to your character. A negative result means that you will see negative impact to your stat such as charisma and/or discipline or intimidation/fear resistance, depending depending on which warpaint verb you activate.

There are two positive messagings that I've noticed with Grungy in relation to warpaint:

The warpaint pattern fires you with confidence!

This is when I use the stylized wild centaurs pattern.

The warpaint location fires you with confidence!

This is when I apply the warpaint on the face and neck area.

I have not been able to get those two messagings of the warpaint pattern/location fires me with confidence at the same time, however.

The results are not always the same and this is something I thought about for a while: why is there so much randomness within the warpaint system?

A GM's point of view would be that there needs to be downsides to counteract the positive aspects the system brings and that there is always a chance for success or possibly failure based on the random number generator.

Then I thought about it from a player's point of view that this system already has negative aspects to it such as the ability to potentially get a negative skill/stat when activating a warpaint verb. It also costs coins already and is offered in one location and based on if that tent is open. It is not renewable and wears off eventually anyway and when you do use a warpaint verb, the warpaint goes away even further.

By the way, the warpaint has levels (basically, it's own Health Points):

fresh war paint - 10
vivid war paint - 9
deep war paint - 8
matte war paint - 7
dull war paint - 6
muted war paint - 5
faded war paint - 4
dim war paint - 3
faint war paint - 2
ghostly war paint - 1

Than it's gone and you can reapply another stick of warpaint. You cannot apply a warpaint stick until the location you are applying it to is available.

It goes down one level after you've used an active warpaint verb with it.

If you CLEAN warpaint, it goes down 4 to 5 levels per using CLEAN warpaint.

One thing I can suggest that I would LOVE to see is more messaging about the boost/penalty we get along with messaging when we can use our active boost again to get the full effect/duration of it. It is really hard to be immersed in the game when I have to watch my clock and wait around 4 minutes and 15 seconds approximately for me to reuse my warpaint to its full effect/duration. Messaging in both respects would be GREATLY appreciated!

The system has always intended on being a side ability, so the boosts to stats (charisma/discipline) are not intended to be too big. But, they are decent. The intimidation and fear resistance boost is pretty noticeable even with lesser quality paint such as Savage warpaint.

For those who have found out their location and pattern best suited for best effects using warpaint, could you list it to me? I'm trying to find a pattern, but I need data.

For those who have not found out their location and pattern best suited for the best effects using warpaint, understand that it differs for every character and if you do figure it out for your character, I would love to see it so I can gather more information.

Sorry this was long and I hope this helps at least a little.

- Simon