>>In every scenario? I don't hide, so why wouldn't I use an agility and melee buff?

Because the AEG variant would be more advantageous in most scenarios. Or do you not do ranged either?

I guess being a pin cushion has it's advantages too.

>>Because the AEG variant would be more advantageous in most scenarios. Or do you not do ranged either?

I do ranged and I plan on taking both and using them as appropriate. One is obviously aimed at being defensive while the other is aimed at offense.

I'm not sure why the defensive boost would be "more advantageous in most scenarios". But that's ok. It's alright if there are spells that not everyone wants. I have no use for rising mists, for example.

>>I guess being a pin cushion has it's advantages too.

A heavy plate wearing shielded pin cushion, sure.

>>Straight perception buff added to the spell makes it about 10x more useful imo.

>>Hard to believe anyone would argue against it that would be benefiting from it.

Who's argued against adding a perception buff?

>>I do ranged and I plan on taking both and using them as appropriate. One is obviously aimed at being defensive while the other is aimed at offense.

So if you're just going to be standing around in the open don't you think the defensive one would be more beneficial?

>>A heavy plate wearing shielded pin cushion, sure.

We are still armor tert. Combat 3.0 or not you're not gonna be a tank just like i'm not fooling anyone by sneaking around.

>>Who's argued against adding a perception buff?

Alright let's just leave it at that then.

>How would AeG be more advantageous than MoF to attacking with TM?

By surviving long enought to get the spell off.

>>So if you're just going to be standing around in the open don't you think the defensive one would be more beneficial?

It would be if I'm facing something that I need to boost to survive, likewise the offensive boost from +agility and +melee would be more beneficial when I'm not.

>>But MoF will be useful for training. Not so much for PvP.


This. The only point I've been making this entire time is that "not so much for PvP" doesn't equal "Planned MAF sucks."

>The only point I've been making this entire time is that "not so much for PvP" doesn't equal "Planned MAF sucks."

It does if you are heavy into PvP (disclosure I'm not, but that's beside the point.)

Wouldn't it be more preferred to make the spell useful for both PvP and PvE?

>Just a suggestion, since i'm assuming that hiding while engulfed in flames will still be almost impossible

You assume wrong, actually. I'm not going to bother adding hiding penalties to the bazillion spells that make you glow in ways that are utterly contrary to normal stealth. So I'm taking it out of MoF.

-Z

I'm with Mord on this. While having better balance and footing (SUF) would seem more likely to give you better agility in combat than being surrounded by flames. Perception boost does make more sense in MOF since it will be giving out light in all directions.

This spell would be 10x more useful if we could drop it, in fact a lot of our spells would be better if we could choose to drop them IE DB BG RM etc... I can see not having the ability or knowledge of interrupting a elemental pattern at a lower circle, but as a mage becomes more experienced i can't see why one wouldn't be able to control the elements enough to stop them at will. Not necessarily snapping my fingers and ending a spell but mastering the elements enough to be able to use elements against each other to counter act, or build on a spell depending on how the elements react . The spell synergy has always been extremely useful in combat, more so in training. I always saw it as being one of the major benefits of being a WM.

Even with all that, I'm excited about most of the spell rewrites. Any rough estimates on when magic and combat will go live?



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>>so I'm boggling about a humongous thread over an assumption of something that isn't happening


I'm guessing it's this:

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>>You assume wrong, actually. I'm not going to bother adding hiding penalties to the bazillion spells that make you glow in ways that are utterly contrary to normal stealth. So I'm taking it out of MoF.

Noone ever thinks to look in the roaring fire, perfect hiding spot. or in crowded areas I cast stone seat and hide behind it.

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so assuming things go as planned... what kind of room does this leave us for future spell that haven't been thought of yet?

I understand AP's will be opened up more. Not sure if I'd want a self despell, maybe if there was a version I could cast on others. But would like AC's anti-fam/locate ability be like a general AP ward? or is stuff like that going away?

Oh and the geyser spell, heavy impact sounds cool, but it needs a better name. Right now it invokes a magic bidet. Scarey yes, but still...

I know you mentioned you'd get to pathways later, but I'm hoping you keep barrage around in some form. Brawling would be nice if it does...

I'm hoping there's a little lore to come out of this. Either some side stuff that maybe introduces a new spell and ignores the shift in all the spells, or someone like the True Path shows up and teaches us alternate ways of using the elements(like nonguilded elementalists from west of the barrier, nonguilded clans or naturally talented mages, Gorbesh, etc.) that's not necessarily based on leftovers from the Empire Imperial College or the current guild stucture... course i'm always asking for WM lore. the alternative magic theory stuff has been good though.

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>>You assume wrong, actually. I'm not going to bother adding hiding penalties to the bazillion spells that make you glow in ways that are utterly contrary to normal stealth. So I'm taking it out of MoF.

Nice.

>>As someone mentioned one or two pages back, there is an analogous patterns spell planned that will instantly dispell anything you've cast on yourself.

That seems more likely to drop ALL spells not using one spell to cancel out another. Just the simple stuff like using Zephry to blow away rising mist or frost bite to drop my own MOF or Rising mist. It's not a huge change and not really a big deal but its definitely a flavor I will miss having in the guild.



- Erixx

>>That seems more likely to drop ALL spells not using one spell to cancel out another.

I am very interested in how this will work. All spells, specific spell, or both? Too soon to comment?

Ah, seems I found the answer to the anti-locate ward. Yes there probably will be it seems.

And for those that don't know, might wanna look over at the moonie and necro folders to see their lists, and get a gist of what the other guilds may look like.


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Aside to elemental weapons...

I kind of hope we don't end up making things like 'air bows' and 'fire swords' by default. That we make novel and slighty nonsensical weapons like scythes and fists is a nice break from the formula of generic fantasy elemental magic you see everywhere.

The more modular these spells become, the more it seems like they're going to tend to the generic, and I can play the generic for cheaper.

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>>Why on earth not. Surely now while you are in the middle of this massive change in the way DR works this is the ideal time to do exactly that ?

Because it would be stupid?

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Zeyurn,

You've said no to a perception buff, which I can't understand why you'd flat out say that. Instead, can we compromise?

With Mantle of Flame transformation, make it harder for people to HIDE around us, especially with matters concerning the approach to melee range.


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"No."
"Ok, can I have a spell that makes it harder for everyone to hit me then?"

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I think an area stealth debuff would be something worthy of its own spell slot.

Seems like it would be a cool cyclic Aether Familiar Transformation... maintain the spell and your familiar locates and abuses people in Hiding.

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