>>A nice compromise, imho. Use incinerate and die yourself, or join the cabal voluntarily and suffer the outrage of society by doing so.
>>Would the higher ups go for that?

Since this in no way changes that the "social outrage" I felt was sufficient to warrant the spell cannot be approved, no.

Again, do not think in terms of Necromancers here. Think in terms of "permanently losing spell slots when you're caught" as one of a number of penalties. I sincerely do not care about how EEEVIL blackfire is ICly in this context, I care about how inappropriate it is in terms of game balance.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

<<The user of Blackfire, due to its uncontrollable nature, will take as much damage as his target might take. In all cases, this means Blackfire is blatantly suicidal.>>

hey, why should the moonmages get all the self-demolition? :-)

WMs should have self-destructive capacity. I mean, one look at the WM tower in shard...

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You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath

>>Think in terms of "permanently losing spell slots when you're caught" as one of a number of penalties.

>>But then I'm one of those poor schlubs who will use (reasonably) sub-optimal abilities if they have a high enough style factor.

If Blackfire gets hit hard enough with the Metal As Hell Mallet, I'll train up a WM just to have him slowly ruin himself with Blackfire magic.

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This idea may have worked in another time and another place, but here it immediately fell on its face and went "Durp durp." - Armifer

Still no response... I'm in agreement with Incarnation here. Would like to see any updates on the spell list, or further elaboration on spells such as Mark of Arhat, Fire Rain, etc. (You know, spells from the GOOD Spellbook - Book of Fire!) :D

ps. Could us Fire loyalists (Ya know, the ones that can hold the Fire Lion title) get a quest @ 50-100 to get Incinerate? Seems fair! If the Water Mages want to cry about it, give them a quest for Air Bubble! Buahahah!

MoA ended up as a damage amplifier.

Weapon creation spells will probably not make the cut for release, but I hope to introduce shortly afterward.

Sun Lance is moving from Fire to Hylomorphic Sorcery. It will be Fun. Uncertain if it will make release.

A dispel tentatively called Ward Breaker got added to Aether. It is an offensive dispel that only targets barrier spells. Pretty sure it will be available at release.

The Warrior Mage spell tree is easily the most complex of the lot. I hope whoever makes those graphics for Elanthipedia likes dotted lines. The big thing comes down to this:

1) Each of the non-Aether core spellbooks has a TM spell as its Intro. You need to pick one of these to proceed. Afterward you gain access to the Aether spellbook, can proceed further into the utility of the element you picked, or grab another element's TM opener and start again.

2) At 8th circle, you will gain access to a 0-slot metaspell that removes the requirement of learning the intro TM spell to progress further up the tree. You can still pick up the TM spell if you want, but at that point you can also leap-frog over it into the meat of the tree.

Result: there are 5 "straight TM" spells, each patterned after one of the non-Aether elements. Pick your element of choice and you can ignore the rest. Or not, if you prefer to have more than one.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

<<Sun Lance is moving from Fire to Hylomorphic Sorcery. It will be Fun. Uncertain if it will make release.>>

can you give us an idea of what this is, what it consists of over in the general magic folder? i know many of us are curious as to what sort of spells we'll be able to conjure up....




Explore the Final Frontier - the unknown calls

Any word on Fire Rain?

- Starlear -

Awesome! Thanks Armifer for the quick response.

>>Do 3.0 slots work similar to current slots, where you can hold onto slots if you choose to? Where, say, you get a slot at 18th but you don't use it until you're 20th and can qualify for spell X?

Yes.

>>If so, does this mean you can technically get your TM ranks from classes/runes/whatever from 1st to 8th, then learn the metaspell and avoid ever having to get an intro TM spell?

No. The metaspell explicitly requires Ethereal Shield, and ES requires one of the five basic TM spells without allowing for the metaspell substitution (since you explicitly need ES before you get the metaspell).

With spell erasures you can juggle things around a bit, but won't be able to escape the requirement of one bread-and-butter TM spell.

>>Any word on Fire Rain?

Uh, probably, but I can't recall off hand. I'll check my notes later.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

>>Any word on Fire Rain?
>Uh, probably, but I can't recall off hand. I'll check my notes later.

So Armifer... Any word on Fire Rain?

Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>They've decided to adopt the Nintendo approach.

But first you have to eat some mushrooms.