1) I'm not sure how the moderators let this slide, but okay: I'm not sure if you've been stabbed before but it seriously sucks and I would take someone saying they would find me and stab me in the kidneys very seriously and probably aggressively. That's not only a personal attack, that's legally assault. (not battery) Stellar was very merciful, perhaps too much so, in his reaction.

2) Religion or lack thereof is closely tied to the theme and direction(s) of paladins. I think Caraamon is on the right track for the most part. You can't responsibly talk about paladins without talking about faith or lack thereof.

2) The soul should decay if you are lazy. Its an organ made of spirit, remember? Don't feed/use your muscles- decay. Don't feed/use your brain- decay. Don't feed/use your soul- decay.

3) I'm becoming confident in expecting that when our turn as a guild comes we will get to be able to take the Code we are handed at circle 1 and through quests customize it. This would solve..... pretty much every issue I've read about soul state in these forums.

4) Personally I like the Racial TDP Soul State Model.

<1) I'm not sure how the moderators let this slide, but okay: I'm not sure if you've been stabbed before but it seriously sucks and I would take someone saying they would find me and stab me in the kidneys very seriously and probably aggressively. That's not only a personal attack, that's legally assault. (not battery) Stellar was very merciful, perhaps too much so, in his reaction.

Heh. I've been called a lot of things in the past, but merciful is not one of them until now. He/she is welcome to try (might even get lucky,) but I suspect it was just banter. That said, such banter (feigned or otherwise) really doesn't have a place on these forums. Frankly it doesn't bother me much, but letting one thing slide probably sets a bad precedent. Mods should probably do something about it. What's the policy say about threats?

Anyway, I'd also like to say that I pretty much agree with Caraamon. I don't have anything special to add to it at the moment, though. Not feeling particularly creative tonight. Might be back at it later, though.

Might want to keep the in character stuff in an in-character forum, then ... or at least be a bit more clear. I don't really care either way, honestly.

>>1) I'm not sure how the moderators let this slide, but okay: I'm not sure if you've been stabbed before but it seriously sucks and I would take someone saying they would find me and stab me in the kidneys very seriously and probably aggressively. That's not only a personal attack, that's legally assault. (not battery) Stellar was very merciful, perhaps too much so, in his reaction.

LOL. I mean, seriously? Get over yourself.


hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.

"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>>Literal or not, I have a very low tolerance of such talk. Its a bad precedent and a slippery slope along with personally offensive.

Ok nancy. See: http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Paladins/Paladin%20Suggestions/view/1299

>>If you've ever seen someone in RL stabbed you I hope you would agree.

I've seen someone shot and killed. One of my friends in high school was stabbed to death by her boyfriend. What's your point here exactly? That you can't tell legitimate threats from what are obviously banter/exaggerations? Reel it in.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.

"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>Literal or not, I have a very low tolerance of such talk. Its a bad precedent and a slippery slope along with personally offensive. If you've ever seen someone in RL stabbed you I hope you would agree.

That's nice. I'm going to find you and stab you for your disagreement with me.

See, it's generic banter, like the recipient knew, combined with hyperbole. I don't really care what you think, and frankly, playing the I AM SELF RIGHTEOUS AND WHITE KNIGHT card is getting old. No one with two brain cells to rub together thought I was really going to hunt someone down and stab them for something they suggested on a forums for a game that's 20 years old.

It wasn't even in-game, IC, RP, or anything else. It was simply 'I disagree with this suggestion and am going to be humorously hyperbolic in describing it'.

You are not a RL paladin. Please stop acting as though you are. Your self righteousness is, honestly, tiresome, and I very much wish you'd put me on ignore.

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>In all fairness, I've seen stupider things happen.

So have I, but even accounting for Poe's Law...just use some common sense and some basic user knowledge. It's not like this is the first time you've ever seen me post. So honestly, getting fearful of slamming it into first as 'omg he threatened me!!' is silly. I don't see any way anyone could have possibly taken that seriously, especially in the connotation of the rest of my post.

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>Now, I'll be the first to admit I'm a bit behind on Paladin events, but I can't recall having heard of anything which says the Temple has any control over the Paladin Guild or Paladin Council. On one hand, I can see why this would appeal to the players (why should another guild control mine), but on the other hand, it seems a bit odd that the most powerful religious organization in Elanthia has no control over self-described (currently) holy warriors.

Admittedly, I'm behind on Paladin events too since most or all of them pre-date this character, but I think this largely depends on how seriously they take the Paladin Guild.

There's an undeniable great sort of synergy between a paladin and a cleric right now, which is nice, and I'd enjoy seeing it grow. Still, I think I prefer it if the Cleric Guild remained Hand of the Temple and the Paladin Guild were painted more as the Hand of Secular Law, and I think that's possible with the right interpretation of the lore even though we're the other holy guild. The lines blur a bit when you give the Temple two Hands, even if you fit them with different gloves.

Annwyl will be expecting her cake now, Teveshzat.

>>To be fair, I always did want to be a super-villain.

Much like being Sheldon Cooper's Arch Enemy, I doubt it will take up too much of your time.

Samsaren

>>I've always pictured you as having a good maniacal laugh.

The professor I worked for last year commented favorably on it.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

The first one is closer to the mark.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

Ladies, would please take this to conflicts?

--Just a Squire

>You've believed every one of your recent "idea" threads was great and deserved special GM attention, until it was derailed or proven why it was wrong. Usually because it doesn't fit the game, or has been said in the past won't happen for certain reasons.

This wasn't his thread and it was a good discussion. :\ It'd be nice if it ended how it started.

Back on track, because I like this:

If you could write the guild from scratch, how would you like to define it?

One random thought was they could be the enforcement arm of the Main Temple, both in secular and holy law.

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There's an old Pen and Paper RPG that does a really fantastic job on the topic of knights and religion, I recommend reading through it for some idea fodder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendragon_(role-playing_game)

>I'd write a lot of tension into the guild between service to liege lords (provincial governments) and service to the temple.

I disagree; classically knights (which Paladins are based loosely on) were tied to liege lords because they needed massive funding for training and equipping a knight. Plate armor, horses, trained metal smiths and apprentices to get you in, etc. were all expensive. DR's knights are pretty much self equipping; they go forth and slay monsters and gear themselves.

As much as I want to punch myself for this (lolz that's assault! someone ban me!) if you absolutely MUST have some land-based association, I'd liken the guild to more of a samurai relationship, where you can be ronin, or samurai, and swap freely between the two with benefits and draw backs to both. The difference, here, is that in my mind this becomes a much more flexible relationship. If you want to bond yourself to the local Barony, you get some benefits for that, but you also get some draw backs. If you want to stay unaffiliated, then you're golden. It becomes more of a sect system, where you can join X or Y or stay free and remain just as functional.

I think tying players to any sort of RP based aristocracy is a foul and terrible choice, and want to avoid it at all costs. Armifer has stated that the real agency of the guild is the soul.

I'd like to see that expanded, and explained. I'd like to see the code updated. I think dark and neutral paladins should be just as viable as light ones, with a different series of restrictions, benefits, and penalties. I don't think a dark paladin should be a fallen Paladin, or anti Paladin (indeed, I think that is the necromancer in DR), or blackguard. I think they should simply be Paladins who worship dark aspects and behave accordingly, with restrictions similar to those yoked on positive aspect Paladins, but flavor-correct. Maybe they have to train hiding. Or doing so boosts their soul, while tending to orphans wounds would penalize it.

If we're looking at the guild as a function of soul, and the soul as a function of the relationship of the Paladin to a single deity, then I think which deity that is should have a larger impact on the Paladin than even the cleric choice; clerics have to maintain service for all 39/13, at least nominally. Paladins, however, can become crusaders and the embodiment of their chosen deity. A figurehead, an exemplar.

Personally, I rather like ascribing Paladins to a more central 'justice' concept devoid of a specific god (or perhaps glommed on to a non-Chadatru extra-planar entity of justice). But justice comes in many forms, it's not simply the knight parading around in full suit armor. Sometimes it's dirty, underhanded, vicious, black, dark, and in general justice should never be confused with good. Justice is the protection of the weak from the strong. It's vengeance dressed up for a party, it's the gallows grin for a rapist. It's never about good, though sometimes the two coincide.

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>Our abilities and spells should center around helping others, or helping ourselves so we are able to help others. Group abilities, spells, self buffs for combat (defense AND offense), glyphs/faiths/auras available through the higher circles etc.

My only hesitation here is that DR is mostly a single player game. I think it would be a really bad design concept to build a guild around exclusively helping people. I could see having it as a secondary effect on most spells, but not really as the core concept of the guild.

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>>If you could write the guild from scratch, how would you like to define it?

Judge Dredd but with a bible.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

Javert from Les Miserables is another great example of how someone could RP a "dark" paladin as well.