A title I have which I think falls into the Lore category that's not on your list is "Logarithmancer". In my list it falls between Geometer and Numinist. Maybe that's the unknown lore one.

Aluriaz

>I wouldn't say Enchantress is more advanced exactly. It just has an additional req (beyond "female").

I was quoting Armifer, but nuance noted.

>The missing magic title is mentioned earlier in this folder.

Then that must be Orcris a Ilet Epato Sarbu, which as best I can tell is Gerenshuge for "Master/Mistress of the Four Moons".

>The missing lore title is because I botched up the MM version of the reqs (Amusingly the thief ones look right). I'll let you know when it's fixed up.

Check.

>The missing survival title is Darkling (I only mention it because it was an old title).

Now I see it. Now I just have to figure out which is more odd, how I managed to skip over it or how Kougen doesn't have it himself. I'm guessing it requires Darkness.

>Psychokinetic's reqs are not necessarily the same as the title it replaced.

Now you're just messing with me.

>The missing combat title isn't super high, but I'm not terribly surprised it's unaccounted for.

Confirmed for messing with me.

~ Kougen

Vorasus says, "There will be blood."

Vorasus drinks your milkshake.

Logarithmancer is the bugged title. I have a fix ready but it hasn't gone live yet.

Basically one of the requirements is currently x4 higher than it should be. My bad.

-Raesh

I had a message posted, but Deleted it not because it was offensive. But simply because I know myself better and any retort against it would degenerate into ragemode because its a rather nasty pet peeve of mine with titles.

Simply posting to get rid of the phantom post that pops up.

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Unfortunately, the way the world works is that any male-specific title will be claimed as gender-neutral (and often enough accurately -- except specific titles have been invented to pervert that original neutrality).

C'est la vie? Gender differentiation in titles is a constant source of disquiet for some players, and there is precisely nothing that can be done to please everybody.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

occultist requires one spell from the stellar spellbook, and fatebound has much higher reqs, i dont have it. but i do have fatalist.

>>a woman can be a prophet, or a seer -- as much as a man can.

But can a man be a prophetess and a sibyl just as much as any woman?

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<<Now, how about those reqs? Only having the stats of one person 50 circles below me actually doesn't help that much.

Are you setting something up to figure out the reqs? If so I can send you my moonies stats and ranks.




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Cylons... why debugging matters.

As a side note, prophet takes less than 300 astrology currently.


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An additional note:

If you have most of the spells, please list what spells you DON'T have in their own spot. This helps a ton.

~ Kougen

Vorasus says, "There will be blood."

Vorasus drinks your milkshake.

Oops, I forgot the spells.

I don't have DO, Darkness, Whole Displacement, Ripple, Riftal summons, Tangled Fate, SET.

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>>Unfortunately, the way the world works is that any male-specific title will be claimed as gender-neutral (and often enough accurately -- except specific titles have been invented to pervert that original neutrality).

So? I'm curious about why equality in number of titles is so important. Are people really upset that English has evolved more female-specific words?

>>C'est la vie?

Women also earn less than men for the same job. That's life. But if you have the power to change it, please do.

>>Gender differentiation in titles is a constant source of disquiet for some players, and there is precisely nothing that can be done to please everybody.

I understand that some people will be upset either way. The question is, how many, and to what degree? The way I see it, one way reflects proper English and happens to result in more female titles. The other way involves a situation where women are deliberately removed from using titles that do actually apply to them. I am simply arguing that the latter is the more hurtful.

>The way I see it, one way reflects proper English and happens to result in more female titles. The other way involves a situation where women are deliberately removed from using titles that do actually apply to them. I am simply arguing that the latter is the more hurtful.

Are you serious?

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>>I understand that some people will be upset either way. The question is, how many, and to what degree? The way I see it, one way reflects proper English and happens to result in more female titles. The other way involves a situation where women are deliberately removed from using titles that do actually apply to them. I am simply arguing that the latter is the more hurtful.

You really, really need to know what your talking about before you respond. A lot of "gender neutral" male titles are actually exclusively, by definition and proper English, male only. It is only because in modern day we use to term to take in account women so that people don't get uppity about it. But it is a misnomer, you are essentially calling a woman something that is meant only for a man. One example is the title Knight, which by definition is a male only title. There is no such thing as a female Knight, they do not exist. Yet females are privy to the title, this is not evolution of the English language it is video games breaking the language to have a semblance of equality.

Which by the way, equality means equality, equality does not mean one specific gender gets more than the other.

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>>Just out of curiosity, since I've never seen it posted, are there a significant number of players of male characters who are upset by females getting a few more titles?

>>At the end of the day, yes, it's kind of a small deal. But I do think that this principle of inclusion is an important one, and should be reflected even in the little stuff.

By your own words earlier in the thread, you imply no desire in equality or inclusiveness at all, you merely want a title. Trying to turn this into social commentary makes you appear hypocritical and foolish. Step off.

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"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

The aforementioned changed are now live.

I suppose it doesn't much matter at this point, but Aleph-One - you realize Prophet was never gender limited right? The only reason Prophetess had existed was legacy reasons.

As for Seer/Sibyl - again, that was the direct result of player requests. See http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=24&topic=21&message=985 and the thread that follows.

The only other title I included with a gender variant was Master/Mistress of Shadows, which is somewhat of a traditional split in the title system. Interestingly Master of Fate is not split that way. I believe that was due to how they were requested, though in a quick skim I couldn't find the exact post.

-Raesh

>>By your own words earlier in the thread, you imply no desire in equality or inclusiveness at all,

I said I thought that an inequality in number of titles was less hurtful than an inequality in, for lack of a better term, inclusiveness. I fully realize that both situations are not ideal; I was just trying to argue that one situation is better than the other.

If anyone had argued to me that it is more hurtful to have an inequality in number of titles, then I'd happily step down. As it was, I asked about it and no one (except Kougen) mentioned anything about being unhappy. Granted, maybe that discussion took place in the past -- being ignorant of it, I asked.

>>you merely want a title. Trying to turn this into social commentary makes you appear hypocritical and foolish.

You know, Armifer, I'm surprised at you. I really like your posts and find them thoughtful and interesting. Yes, a title would be nice, but I happen to be a philosopher and I mainly wanted the opportunity to discuss it. I'm frankly a little confused about why people are acting hostile.

Anyway, like I said, in the end it's a pretty small deal and I didn't mean to make anyone upset, so consider it dropped.

>>I suppose it doesn't much matter at this point, but Aleph-One - you realize Prophet was never gender limited right?

Thanks, I didn't know about this.

>>Serc

Fair enough. Thanks for your feedback.

personally i think a person should be able to wear whichever title they want, male or female.

and warlock is a good example of this.

I wear that title currently with my female s'kra necromancer. And I think that's how it should be.

Because having to get yourself shifted just to achieve a certain title you want is just silly. <as formerly was the case with the gladiator title>

I'd get rid of the "mistress" titles, too. If you have "mastered" a skill, you have "mastery" over it - whether you are male or female, Therefore you are a "master".

in elanthia, we use the "common" language, which is american english, because thats where the game developers stems from. However, Elanthia has no history of any gender inferiority. Lets keep it like that, utilizing Elanthean history rather than Earth history as our guide. In fact, many "movers and shakers" of Elanthea have been decidedly female. <Dzree,Lyras,Morganae, etc>.

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