Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 06:44 AM CDT
>49 Sect

Celestian, Politician, Advisor, Academic, Grazhirean, Horoscopist, Genethlialogist

Obviously I only get seven. Genethlialogy: The department of Astrology which deals with the birth of individuals, whereby one forms a judgment of the characteristics of a person from a map of the heavens cast for his given birth moment.



I think it was stated there were only 5 titles per sect but i could be wrong. I have

Celestian, Politician, Advisor, Academic, Horoscopist, Genethlialogist

so maybe Horoscopist and Genethialogist relate to something else
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 07:34 AM CDT
>>I think it was stated there were only 5 titles per sect but i could be wrong.

>Each sect has 5 new titles as well as the 2 old titles.

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 10:12 AM CDT
<<Also the Astrology category issue should be resolved.>>


damn. i DID like using astrology titles with my young necro that has the MM spell prep. <she DOES have the astrology ranks for 'em>.

bah humbug.

:-(






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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 10:21 AM CDT
<<Initiate Moon Mage, Apprentice Moon Mage, Journeyman Moon Mage, Moon Mage, Expert Moon Mage, Master Moon Mage, Grand Master Moon Mage, Legendary Moon Mage, Transcendent Moon Mage>>

<<This is only nine. Unless you secretly confirmed a plan to raise the circle cap to 200 I don't see where you're getting 10 from.>>

Maybe gender specific titles are included in the counts.

Initiate Moon Mage, Apprentice Moon Mage, Journeywoman Moon Mage, Moon Mage, Expert Moon Mage, Master Moon Mage, Grand Master Moon Mage, Legendary Moon Mage, Transcendent Moon Mage

FYI..I noticed Enchantress shows up in the list.
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 11:02 AM CDT
>damn. i DID like using astrology titles with my young necro that has the MM spell prep. <she DOES have the astrology ranks for 'em>.

>bah humbug.

It should still be possible to use the new titles as fake titles, assuming you meet the requirements.




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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 11:19 AM CDT
nope, only thieves get fake titles, not necromancers. oh well.

by the way,among the following titles are some you didn't list, i assume they're survival, since i have 'em with my thief when using MM titles:

duskwalker, darkling,Fade, shadow of Fate, Observer, Discerner, Charlatan,Pseudomancer, Dissident.

The combat ones i think include mystic blade, telekinetic warrior, mind flayer, steelstorm, shadow reaver, shadow mage, sliver slinger, hex, displacer, fate reaver,battlefield scribe, battlefield scholar.

i'm not sure if the perception/charisma-spell formolas are the same as before with mm <fake thief> ones or not. I'm hoping we can find that out too.

i only wish we could use 'em as posttitles instead of only as pretitles as thieves. You've got a nice assortment in there.

<i must say, i DO love the tezirite ones!>








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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 12:32 PM CDT
>nope, only thieves get fake titles, not necromancers.

You'll always be Schvartzgonif to me.

>by the way,among the following titles are some you didn't list, i assume they're survival, since i have 'em with my thief when using MM titles:
>duskwalker, darkling,Fade, shadow of Fate, Observer, Discerner, Charlatan,Pseudomancer, Dissident.

Pretty sure those were listed originally by Miir.




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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 01:12 PM CDT
My counts did include gender variants for the most part. They did not include Sage and technically there are 50 sect titles because I forgot one had a gender variant.

For thief reqs I would not trust old formulas. I was fairly consistent in how they convert from MM to thief reqs, but I make no promises beyond that.

Finally Enchantress intentionally still exists:

1. a woman who practices magic; sorceress.
2. an irresistibly charming or fascinating woman: an enchantress who breaks men's hearts.

-Raesh
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 10:36 PM CDT
Thieves using fake titles can see the sect titles. This is what I got from a friend.

Celestian, Politician, Advisor, Academic,

Sophister, Monk, Ascetic, Crystal Soul,

Fateweaver,

G'nar Pethian, Sightless, Garden Seeker, Blind Prophet,

Nomad, Spiritualist, Animist,

Tezirite, Tenebrous, Shadowmancer, Cryptomancer, Master of Shadows,

Heritage Keeper, Archivist, Proctor,


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 10:59 PM CDT
quick question, any titles have Teleological Sorcery pre-reqs?

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/22/2010 11:30 PM CDT
>quick question, any titles have Teleological Sorcery pre-reqs?

I would have expected Untethered to require Sever Thread, but if it's supposed to it's bugged.

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/23/2010 01:34 AM CDT
Untethered does not, and should not, require Sever Thread.

-Raesh
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 10:05 AM CDT
is shadow mage a tez title or do I not have the survivals for it? I don't have it with 540 hide/470 stalk


-Strk
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 10:05 AM CDT
also I have shadow web and darkness memorized


-Strk
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 10:24 AM CDT
Shadow mage is not a Tez title. No idea what it requires.

Master of Shadows is, however. So is shadowmancer and Umbromancer(divination by shade).

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 11:42 AM CDT
And Cryptomancer.



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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 11:57 AM CDT
I didn't want to list all of them, just the ones pertaining to the word shadow :p

They are two more "mancer" titles Tezirites get that don't deal with shadow and one which essentially means "dark".


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 11:57 AM CDT
<<Thieves using fake titles can see the sect titles. This is what I got from a friend.>>

Here's the ones in my list I didn't see posted yet. But I'm guessing they're just more sect titles:

Bibliomancer
Cartomancer
Crystallomancer
Enoptromancer
Gambler
Lecanomancer
Ossomancer
Unbound

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 12:02 PM CDT
>>Here's the ones in my list I didn't see posted yet. But I'm guessing they're just more sect titles:

Wanted to wait a bit 'cause everyones being selfish with their own titles. At least as far as sharing on the boards go, but at this point almost all the Tezirite ones have been listed so in no particular order....


Tezirite, Tenebrous, Shadowmancer, Umbromancer, Enoptromancer, Cryptomancer, Master of Shadow


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 05:54 PM CDT
>is shadow mage a tez title or do I not have the survivals for it? I don't have it with 540 hide/470 stalk

I'd say hit 500 stalking and look again, unless someone else can post that they have more and indicate that the req is something else entirely.

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 05:59 PM CDT
When sorting the titles I did not put Shadow Mage under "survival".

-Raesh
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 07:17 PM CDT
>When sorting the titles I did not put Shadow Mage under "survival".

Derp. Yeah, it's a Combat title. However, last time I checked 'Strk's combats are higher than mine and I have it, hence the stalking suggestion (hiding and stalking are "combat" skills, after all).

More hints would be lovely, otherwise it's going to take a new dedicated thread to figuring out each and every individual title at this rate.

~ Kougen

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 07:36 PM CDT
Let's let the creative research go for awhile longer. Go ahead and post if you come across one that you're just super stumped on and I'll at least verify that the reqs are working as intended.

A hint, that I think most of you already realize, is that the titles are more or less sorted in order of difficulty on your list which should help in tracking some of them down.

I mostly mention this because I recently changed Portent to NOT follow that logic for technical reasons (Though the reqs remain the same it will show up slightly out of order).

The TF ones also do not follow that logic since for the most part they exist for whimsical reasons and not any desire to develop a logical progression.

-Raesh
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/24/2010 07:47 PM CDT
>Go ahead and post if you come across one that you're just super stumped on and I'll at least verify that the reqs are working as intended.

There are several I'd like to know but cannot even begin to attempt to figure them out until more people post their lists and skills. Even if you verify it's not broken I either already have a title or have to train blindly and check my list every time I rank something to a round number. Oh well. Anyone?

>also I have shadow web and darkness memorized

New thought: Do you have Tezirah's Veil? Or any other Moonlight Manipulation spells missing from your list?


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 08:52 AM CDT
>>New thought: Do you have Tezirah's Veil? Or any other Moonlight Manipulation spells missing from your list?

Need TV in order to get shadow web.


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 09:11 AM CDT
shadow reaver and shadow mage require DO confirmed (I just picked it up for the title POINT RAESH)


-Strk
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 10:06 AM CDT
<<There are several I'd like to know but cannot even begin to attempt to figure them out until more people post their lists and skills. Even if you verify it's not broken I either already have a title or have to train blindly and check my list every time I rank something to a round number. Oh well. Anyone?

I'd rather not post my skills and stuff, but if you post your email, I'll send you an EXP ALL and TITLES LIST MOONMAGE for my character in the name of science.
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 10:49 AM CDT
Their are other reqs.

As I have DO, but do not have Shadow Mage.

I do however, have Shadow Reaver.

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 11:41 AM CDT
guessing you need shadow web (darkness maybe but unlikely)

also I think its got higher combat reqs


-Strk
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 12:27 PM CDT
I have Shadow Mage but do not have Shadow Web.




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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 01:02 PM CDT
I have Shadow mage and do not have darkness.

My stealths are higher than whats already been mentioned.

-Serc

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/25/2010 04:33 PM CDT
>Need TV in order to get shadow web.

Yeah, wasn't thinking about that, just that people are more likely in general to be missing TV than, say, DO.

>Or any other Moonlight Manipulation spells missing from your list?
>shadow reaver and shadow mage require DO confirmed (I just picked it up for the title POINT RAESH)

Well there you go.

>I'd rather not post my skills and stuff, but if you post your email, I'll send you an EXP ALL and TITLES LIST MOONMAGE for my character in the name of science.

My account name @play.net should forward just fine.


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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 11:29 AM CDT
Simple but important question:

Where is Enchantress on the list, and which titles have a gender specific counterpart now? Is there still a Prophetess? Any others? (Lunar Magess?)

~ Kougen

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 12:40 PM CDT
>>Where is Enchantress on the list, and which titles have a gender specific counterpart now?

There are only four female-specific titles: Enchantress, Sibyl, Prophetess, and Mistress of Shadows. Prophetess and Mistress of Shadows' gender counterparts are obvious. Sibyl is the female counterpart of Seer (which is now a male-exclusive title). Enchantress has no direct counterpart, but is a slightly more advanced title to the gender-neutral Enthraller.

Of note, Moon Mages of any gender on TF can qualify for Sailor Moon.

>>Any others? (Lunar Magess?)

Don't forget the one for S'kra Mur women, Lunar Magessssss.

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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 12:41 PM CDT
>>Sibyl

Lol, too bad that's a MM title. There's a Cleric in TF named Sibyl, she could be Sibyl Sibyl
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 02:21 PM CDT
<<Lol, too bad that's a MM title. There's a Cleric in TF named Sibyl, she could be Sibyl Sibyl

Absolutely needs to reroll.

Nikpack
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 02:42 PM CDT
I'm still missing one title from each of the Magic, Lore, Survival, and Combat categories. I assume these are the ones that were made to be beyond what anyone qualified for.

I'll have a master list with our starting points up shortly.

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Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 04:03 PM CDT
10 Circle:

Initiate Moon Mage, Apprentice Moon Mage, Journeyman/woman Moon Mage, Moon Mage, Expert Moon Mage, Master Moon Mage, Grand Master Moon Mage, Legendary Moon Mage, Transcendent Moon Mage

Same as before, no explanation needed

32 Magic:

Stargazer
???
Requirements much lower than previous version

Medium
(10 Astrology)
(20 Power Perception)
(525 Total Magic)

Contemplator
(20 Astrology)
(40 Power Perception)

Mentalist
(25 Astrology)
(50 Power Perception)
(Calm Spell)

Mesmerist
(40 Astrology)
(80 Power Perception)
(Hypnotize Spell)

Dreamer
(50 Astrology)
(100 Power Perception)

Lunar Mage
???

Lunar Magician
???

Ascendant
(60 Astrology)
(120 Power Perception)
(Teleport Spell)

Psychic
(75 Astrology)
(150 Power Perception)
(Thoughtcast Spell)

Dreamweaver
???

Illusionist
(120 Astrology)
(220 Power Perception)
(Mental Blast Spell)
(Dazzle Spell)

Novus
(120 Astrology)
(220 Power Perception)
(Dazzle Spell)
(Burn Spell)

Occultist
???

Spectromancer
???

Puppet Master
???

Manipulator
???

Auspex
(260 Astrology)
(440 Power Perception)

Enthraller
(260 Astrology)
(440 Power Perception)
(Hypnotize Spell)

Enchantress+
- "Slightly more advanced" than Enthraller

Astronomer
(300 Astrology)
(500 Power Perception)

Lunarian
(300 Astrology)
(500 Power Perception)

Wild Card
???

Astrologist
(300 Astrology)
(500 Power Perception)

Lightcrafter
(550 Astrology)
(850 Power Perception)

Luminary
(550 Astrology)
(850 Power Perception)

Scion of Yavash
???

Scion of Xibar
???

Scion of Katamba
???

Scion of Grazhir
???

Illuminated
???

1 Unknown


37 Prediction/Astrology:

Lucky
???

Palm Reader
(10 Astrology)

Austromancer
???

Chiromancer
???

Soothsayer
(10 Astrology)
(20 Power Perception)

Luckbringer
???

Daydreamer
???

Augur
(20 Astrology)
(40 Power Perception)

Fortuneteller
(30 Astrology)
(50 Predictions)

Visionist
(40 Astrology)
(80 Power Perception)

Doomsayer
(60 Astrology)

Dowser
???

Mystic
(100 Astrology)
(200 Power Perception)

Predictor
(100 Astrology)
(?# Predictions)

Determinist
(120 Astrology)

Diviner
(150 Astrology)
(?# Predictions)

Mantic
???

Seer*/Sibyl+
(Moon Mage)
(170 Astrology)
(120 Perception)
(Seer's Sense Spell)

Fatebound
(180 Astrology)
(320 Power Perception)

Aura Reader
???

Prophet*/Prophetess+
(300 Astrology)
(?# Predictions)

Omen
???

Ill Omen
???

Forecaster
???

Prescient
???

Omen Speaker
(400 Astrology)
(?# Predictions)

Forerunner
???

Portent
???
Requirements do not follow from placement in list

Portent Seeker
???

Far Seer
(500 Astrology)
(350 Perception)
(Seer's Sense Spell)

Precursor
???

Harbinger
(600 Astrology)
(1000 Power Perception)
(400 Scholarship)
(10,000[?] Predictions)

Fateshaper
???

Fateshackled
???

Alda Pelan
"Lots of magic"
(1000+ Astrology)

17 Lore:

Pupil
???

Cold Reader
???

Meteorologist
(20 Astrology)
(20 Power Perception)
(40 Scholarship)

Docent
(50 Astrology)
(50 Power Perception)
(75 Scholarship)
(40 Teaching)

Mathematician
???

Extrapolator
???

Philosopher
(75 Astrology)
(75 Power Perception)
(150 Scholarship)
(75 Teaching)

Geometer
???

Numinist
(100 Astrology)
(300 Power Perception)

Sage
(150 Astrology)
(150 Power Perception)
(300 Scholarship)
(150 Teaching)

Logician
???

Fatalist
???

Cosmologist
(300 Astrology)
(250 Power Perception)
(400 Scholarship)
(200 Teaching)

Enlightened Geometer
???

Prognosticator
???

Alda Remoren
"Lots of magic"
(1000+ Scholarship)

1 Unknown


13 Survival:

Duskwalker
???

Fade
???

Shadow of Fate
???

Shadow Magician
???
Probably requires Darkness Spell

Goldcap Aspirant
(800 Hiding)
(800 Stalking)
(Refractive Field Spell)

Observer
???

Clairaudient
(100 Astrology)
(200 Power Perception)
(100 Perception)
(Distant Gaze Spell)

Clairvoyant
(100 Astrology)
(200 Power Perception)
(100 Perception)
(Shadewatch Mirror Spell)

Discerner
???

Moromancer
???

Charlatan
???

Pseudomancer
???

1 Unknown


29 Combat:

Dissident
???

Mystic Blade
(200 Weapon)[?]

Fate Blade
???

Psychokinetic
600 Evasion
400 Weapon
400 Armor
65 Agility
65 Reflex

Telekinetic Warrior
???

Lightwielder
???
May require Dazzle or Moonblade Spell

Mindflayer
???
May require Mental Blast Spell

Steelstorm
???
May require TKS Spell

Shadow Reaver
???
Requires Dinazen Olkar Spell

Light Weaver
???

Shadow Mage
???
Requires Dinazen Olkar Spell

Sliver Slinger
???
May require TKT or TKS, probably requires Moonblade Spell

Hex
???

Displacer
???
Probably requires Whole Displacement Spell

Fate Reaver
???
(300 TM)[?]

Telekinetic Fury
???
May require TKS Spell

Battlefield Scribe
???

Battlefield Scholar
???

Stalwart Scholar
???

Mystic Aegis
???
May require Cage of Light Spell

Geometric Warder
???
May require Cage of Light Spell

Spellbreaker
???
Probably requires Shear Spell

Spellbane
???
Probably requires Shear spell

Astral Guardian
???

Nemesis
???

Prophetic Warrior
???

Precognitive Soldier
???

Y'Shai Aspirant
(800 Weapon)
(800 Armor)
(Moonblade Spell)

1 Unknown


49 Sect:

Not concerned with these reqs currently

10 Ability:

Traveler
(40 Astrology)
(80 Power Perception)
(Teleport Spell)

Telepath
(120 Astrology)
(220 Power Perception)
(Thoughtcast Spell)

Hypnotist
(20 Astrology)
(40 Power Perception)
(Hypnotize Spell)

Psionic
(350 Astrology)
(700 Power Perception)
(At least 5 Psychic Projection Spells)

Witness
???
May require Distant Gaze or SHM Spell

Astral Traveler
???
Probably requires access to AP

All-Seeing
???
May require Distant Gaze or SHM Spell

Transducer
???
Probably requires X Transduction Spells

Untethered
???

Planeswalker
???




Requirements in (parenthesis) are from the old list, which means there is about a 50% chance they have been altered slightly and are to be used only as a starting point.

A few titles may be slightly out of place.

~ Kougen

Vorasus says, "There will be blood."

Vorasus drinks your milkshake.
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Re: Moon Mage titles 07/26/2010 04:20 PM CDT
I wouldn't say Enchantress is more advanced exactly. It just has an additional req (beyond "female").

The missing magic title is mentioned earlier in this folder.

The missing lore title is because I botched up the MM version of the reqs (Amusingly the thief ones look right). I'll let you know when it's fixed up.

The missing survival title is Darkling (I only mention it because it was an old title).

Psychokinetic's reqs are not necessarily the same as the title it replaced.

The missing combat title isn't super high, but I'm not terribly surprised it's unaccounted for.

Otherwise good work.

-Raesh
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