Anything to update?

~Ternith Sjomah

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When I grow up I want to be just like Elmo. I want to have a great smile, a cheerful attitude, and a 6 inch wide tounge.

>>Nope.

Well come on sucka...err boss

~Ternith Sjomah

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When I grow up I want to be just like Elmo. I want to have a great smile, a cheerful attitude, and a 6 inch wide tounge.

>>So to sum it up; It's working as intended. Melee only,<<

Not to be obvious, but:

>>>>With quite a bit of testing I've found that it only works at melee

No.<<

Veldehar

<<Not to be obvious, but:>>

Ok, so it works at pole when using enormous stomp. Still have to be engaged and half advanced. Enormous uses enormous amounts of inner fire.

I'll test some more to see if I can figure out just how much inner fire they use compared to some dances.

~ Kai

I will disagree with your statement that it uses "enormous" amounts of inner fire. It is hefty, granted, but when not dancing the inner fire replenishes quickly. A judicious use of various sized stomps is a powerful tool. I am not one for using abilities to a high degree, outside of dances for MO and general safety, but as I see it, the war stomp would be most effective as part of the arsenal while not dancing. Its fire hit is prohibitive when using dragon, so I see it being most useful in conjunction with roars. Stomping and roaring as a disciplined combat regimine can still leave the barbarian with the final "out" of berserk if stunned, the one weakness of dances. It is also a good consideration for bow hunting. Greater Skeletons as a prime example, these critters just love to charge from pole while yer aiming at them. Something as simple as a light or heavy stomp at melee will set them off balance, making their charge less effective and making them easier targets. I haven't chosen any roars yet, and wasn't around enough to really experiment with them as part of that technique, but having given this thought I will certainly put it to the test next time I am out there, most likely tomorrow. For melee consideration, even a light stomp has proven effective for gaining an edge on multiple foes. Is it the equiv of the hour+ dragon dances? No. But it is useful.

Veldehar

Dual wielding is already in development. IIRC tumbling was vetoed. Shield bash is in development and while not a "Barb only" release will be something that greatly aids us.

>>We really haven't gotten anything new
>>Why were all the ideas we've posted throughout the years englected

I know you're in "bitter mode" but this statement is simply not true. Using roars as an example since that seems to have particularly gotten your goat, as a barbarian I never had a way to make someone drop a weapon or get unbalanced other than hitting them repeatedly with my weapon. I now have ways to do that which did not exist before. That's new. Some other examples over the last year or two:

* Dual-loading is new.
* Parrying bows is new.
* Getting extra percentage bonuses to STANCE every 10 circles is new.
* Berserking out of stuns is new.
* Reduced RT loading an arrow from a quiver.

There are many more I am leaving out, but that's enough to disprove your statement that "we haven't really gotten anything new". Feel free to hate everything developed for the guild in the last three years, but making statements that are simply factually untrue does not help your argument. I suspsect someone will retort with "But these aren't all BARB ONLY abilities we have to SHARE them with one or two other guilds!" I have no patience for that kind of selfishness. If it's something I can do that I couldn't do before, it's a new ability for me. Period.

If you don't want to use the abilities, if you feel they are not in character for your character, then do not choose or use them and your life will continue pretty much like before (choosing the roars that most closely approximate the roars you had before). That's a perfectly valid RP choice. Before, it was NOT a choice because we didn't have the range of abilities. Now we do, so those who do NOT want to RP their character your way have another option.

This is the best damn guild in the game. Other guilds drool to be us. It's gotten consistently better since I joined up and has seen some great development. We do combat better than anyone, in a wider range of locales than anyone, with a wider array of tools than anyone, while looking better doing it than anyone else in the game.

Bottom line, we rule.

~ Nutawa
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Nutawa I'm trying my best to not be negative, no my apologies. I'll be posting some combat manuever techniques shortly after we take this test which will be in 15 minutes from this post. Although, yes some new stuff have come up we have shared all those abilities you just posted.

Dual Loading share with rangers and they do it better than we do being they can continiously dual load since it just takes 3 seconds to cast the spell. Also they can snipe so really all around better than us.

Parrying Bow's shared with paladins.

Getting extra percentage stands points again share it with pallies equally as well as with half effeciency with Warrior Mages.

Reduced Loading Time, again shared by the rest of the realms.

Only one is coming out of stun with berserk and that's because we're the only ones that can berserk.

Catullus



http://www.legends-end.com/Tourney/LE-DR-FBC.htm

Your right Ruffles, but the kid has a point. A big valid point. Do we share everything with the rest of the realms because we're the only ones weapons as our primaries? We have 4 skills and 1 action thats Guild specific for us. Berserk, Roaring, Dancing, Stomping, and break neck. I agree, all are powerful and the fact we have 6 dances, 22 roars is even better. But, as was stated either on our boards or some where else.. we're still lacking. We cannont do anything "better" with a weapon that another guild can't do given time. We have no bonus to using weapons, with no clear explanation why when every other guild gets a bonus to their sets. Yes, we can now parry bows (expect no one is ever at melee shooting or even at pole), yes we can dual load and hit hits like a truck (but it's shared).

We have very powerful tools at our disposal, that's the question. The question is why do so many other guilds have so many other perks to their guild other than "i can have the most magic in the realms" and they continously get new stuff they excel at that other guilds don't get (sniping is a prime exmample here). Yet, we get more of the same stuff added (roars, dances, zerks). I love what we have, I think we use it great, but I think we're lacking in overall guild abilities/perks compared to even the trader guild.

Methan

Solomon: A man that makes vague even seem descriptive.

<<We really haven't gotten anything new we just took what really wasn't broken and expanded with a downteak to it. >>

Except a lot of things were broken. Like roars. They were due for a downtweak with or without expansion. By 50th any barb could roar anyone out of hiding regardless of stat differences. That was broken.

<<Dual Loading share with rangers and they do it better than we do being they can continiously dual load since it just takes 3 seconds to cast the spell. Also they can snipe so really all around better than us.>>

As they should be.

<<We have no bonus to using weapons, with no clear explanation why when every other guild gets a bonus to their sets. >>

Uh, not really. There's no bonus to magic for being a cleric, WM, or MM. The closest thing will be aethereal pathways for WMs.

A) Rangers bonus to survival because its their primary skill set.
B) Thieves bonus to survival because its their primary skill set.
C) Paladins bonus to armor because its their primary skil set.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said "best magic in realms", maybe "best survival". Magic is a crutch and they don't carry a bonus. Yet everything we share combat wise with another guild, is in the above, ABC.


Methan

Solomon: A man that makes vague even seem descriptive.

>>Last I heard, Dragon dance was the single largest boosting ability in the game.

Best *stand alone* ability, it can be topped by stacking separate boosting spells.

>>BMR is far and away the best magic avoidance ability in the game (especially while dancing).

Not complaining, because I do love it, but don't you mean "only while dancing?"

-Steinn-

Uh..nope. The mere presence of it puts you leaps and bounds above anyone else in the resistance category. It works against EVERY type of spell and is significantly stronger - even without a dance - than the resistance of any other class. It's the best passive resistance in the game. With a dance, it's the best active resistance in the game.

The above quote is incorrect.

Quite often spells do not even check against BMR. My IG wife (WM) has tested everyone of her beneficial spells on my character and not 1 of them is resisted. Even while dancing.



The Big Ugly One

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Its all a matter of how you look at it. Some people say assassins are the elite of the elite because you never see them.. and they always win. -Dusk

Let's get the thread back on track and stop focusing on one line that Methan said. Stop screwing around and answer the question(s):

Do you think Barbarians should have some sort of bonus to wielding weapons? Or is the fact that we have a primary weapon's skill set good enough? Why or why not?

Signed by,

Ruffles Scourge of the Seas

One sec, gonna crosspost that question in the main folder.

Signed by,

Ruffles Scourge of the Seas

>>Do you think Barbarians should have some sort of bonus to wielding weapons?

Umm I may be wrong but like long ago I seem to recall that barbs got a bonus to hitting body parts with weapons if Im not mistaken? So technically you do have a bonus to weapons.

>>Umm I may be wrong but like long ago I seem to recall that barbs got a bonus to hitting body parts with weapons if Im not mistaken? So technically you do have a bonus to weapons.

And I'm 100% sure. ;)

-Steinn-

That's very untrue buddy. 60th warmie can spell up with SW/YS/SF and surpass any dance. I have enough blade to cut my friend in half yet when he spells up even while I'm dancing my strongest dance he can just stand there and prep spells while I attack with a sabre forged capped and miss him completely for 1 full minute. If he spells down I can kill him quickly.

War Hawk Catullus the half ranger


http://www.legends-end.com/Tourney/LE-DR-FBC.htm

Uh, which part did you not understand how I can drop him quickly if he's not spelled up? I outclass him in every commbat skill.

War Hawk Catullus the half ranger


http://www.legends-end.com/Tourney/LE-DR-FBC.htm

Uh, which part did you not understand how I can drop him quickly if he's not spelled up? I outclass him in every commbat skill.

War Hawk Catullus the half ranger

This is entirely correct. See it day in and day out with my IG wife. Severely out rank her in defense skills yet once she spells up the critters that put a hurting on me cant touch her.


The Big Ugly One

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Its all a matter of how you look at it. Some people say assassins are the elite of the elite because you never see them.. and they always win. -Dusk

Also...Whether or not he's better than you is dependant on a lot more than base ranks. If he, using all his abilities, can slap you down without issue while you're using all your abilities, and you can't do squat to him in the same situation - he's better than you.

A WM with 300 evasion is virtually always better than a Barb with 300 evasion. Just how it works out.