For the limited scope of what war stomp does in its present state, I just find that the sudden smack to inner fire is genuinely not worth it. It's an ability I've never quite understood in the context of something that is supposed to be a high level skill. For the cost, the gain is miniscule.

I can't use berserks because my barb is trained way too awkwardly for them. But stomp... I can't really think of any situation in which stomp would be a best course of action. I wouldn't discount that others have found creative uses for it. Just one opinion.

Chad,

Did you test that using heavier weapons when using war stomp resulted in better results than using lighter weapons or no weapons in hand?

If you did, could you explain what results you saw (any besides balance loss to the target)?

Tested it a while ago and saw no distinctive differences (although, maybe my 62 stone greatsword was too light) between using a weapon with war stomp and not using a weapon with war stomp.

- Simon

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Wanted to open this back up for discussion. If nothing changes with the way war stomp is right now, that's okay. It still functions well against undead and does have a 100% success rate. But, I think there needs to be a couple more options of what war stomp can do. It just feels plain for what a 100th circle ability could do. I understand this would probably be some low task on the list to work on and that's cool with me.

Stomp light: Affects the balance of the person/creature facing the Barbarian at melee range. Sounds good the way it is.

Stomp heavy: Affects the balance of everyone at melee from the Barbarian. I'd like to add in a feature to knock an opponent down randomly.

Stomp enormous: Affects the balance of everyone at melee and pole range from the Barbarian. Besides a random knocking an opponent down randomly. If the target is prone, to do some damage to its chest accounting for brawling skill. If the target ends up dying, let some inner fire be regained for the kill if the creature teaches the Barbarian any brawling.

Stomp mammoth: Affects the balance of everyone at melee and pole range from the Barbarian, also giving random time of 5 to 7 seconds to the opponent(s). I'd like it to have the highest percentage of randomly knocking someone down between melee and pole range. Do more damage than stomp enormous to the opponent's chest you are facing taking account brawling skill of the Barbarian.

While this is just brainstorming, what thoughts would you suggest?

- Simon

PS - I can't believe hardly anyone posted in this folder since I was gone.

PPS - I also can't believe it's not butter! Heh, couldn't resist :p

Anyone else have any constructive ideas about war stomp or the suggestions offered in the OP?

- Simon

I know this isn't constructive but IMHO the whole idea should be scrapped. I can see no way to justify this ability as a circle 100th ability.

I hate to make this (GvG) But when a certain guild gets a 5th circle ability that for all intents and purposes is the same thing without the penalties and reqs that are required for circling anyway so it gets easier/better as it's user grow; It kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Now yes I know that this ability can be used in conjunction with our other abilities but those have their own penalties/limitations as is.

Basically I'm just tired of having so many of our abilities have huge penalties for simply doing what they claim.

I just got home so I'm too tired to think too deeply on a suitable replacement.

I will say this If I had to think of things that solidify the Barbarian Monicer(sp?) as the l33t combat guild we should be I'd start with things like weapon feats (think Rispote, Weapon Disarming, Shield Destruction for Blunt users et al) and the ability to use our weapons better than any other guild (akin to how Pallies get better stats/apps with shield [i admit to knowing nothing of pallies so if this info is wrong I apologize])

These are the things that I feel would start us in the right direction

- Denz

>>But back on the subject, I don't have any suggestions for War Stomp either, it's just too many kinds of fail.<<

QFT. War Stomp is so useless, it's not worth having at 10th circle, let alone 100th. It would be great if it didn't just affect balance, but affected balance so much that at a low end success it knocked everything to its knees, and at high end success it knocked everything prone and stunned for a few seconds.


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I don't think scrapping War Stomp will improve the guild in any way. We already have it and someone already worked on it. Might as well see what we can do to improve it.

When I talk to various Barbarian players, I always get the same negative thoughts regarding war stomp. In my opinion, war stomp is decent based on it's function but I believe it can be so much more - ESPECIALLY as a 100th circle ability.

Just so everyone understands: What can war stomp do for Barbarians? Besides the obvious of never failing for the balance reduction provided one has the inner fire to use it. The biggest thing is increased options for a Barbarian to use it against unbalancing undead creatures. There are no other real alternatives to destabilize undead creatures for Barbarians besides this.

My goal when thinking this up is to retain a few aspects of war stomp the way it is, but also add that knockdown and stomping of the chest feature that really makes the 100th circle ability worth while at that circle.

Reducing the inner fire, which was done a while back by GM Iayn, in my opinion does not enhance how often I would want to use war stomp. Improving the actual ability and seeing what we can do with would have a better possibility of seeing more usage by myself and fellow Barbarians.

- Simon

This is where I see War Stomp coming in. My hope is that BMR theory is completely rewritten and War Stomp is given the ability to weaken an entire room of its mana. Perhaps it should still cost a hefty amount of IF to use, but I'd like to see it cause problems with spellcasting and mana in general.


This is by far the best idea I've heard yet. Perhaps they could even add a feature to "target" the mana you want stomped out of existance. I doubt i'll ever make it to 100th circle to use it. I'd love to know it was out there.

So... anyone else see that change to the Ranger grizzly claw spell?

Where is War Stomp going, Aurdun? Have any ideas? As many have said before, it just doesn't seem to fit the bill for a 100th circle ability.

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Thanks Aurdun, that works out pretty well for me really since I won't be making it to 100th anytime soon. Nice to have something extra to look forward too, though, so if I think up anything that hasn't already been suggested to death I'll post.

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Now that's an ability fit for a Barbarian. I like. I want.

I'd settle for something alone the lines of

Craxor stomps his foot in an earthshaking blow, causing a seismic ripple to flow at his foes, knocking them back and wobbling, unbalanced and stunned.

if WM's can conjure balistae outta stone we should be able to shake stone

<<There is no ability past or present that will save us from the fat kid jokes>>

Sure there is. FIRE <target> HEAD should shut them up.

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