I added 25 services of damage padding to my HCP drama armor and the HCP seems to have dissapeared from assess and loresong. used bugitem in game, just want to make people aware of the bug.

>Any kind of estimating would be rife with errors, and require too many assumptions on value and conversion. We'd be left with a very hedged set of numbers in order to avoid taking market forces into consideration. I'd much prefer to just let things flow for a while and see what people are willing to pay for. I'm hopeful that the promise of more regular availability comes through at a price that's reasonably affordable, but who knows? I'd rather take my chances with the market than some pricing structure that is rigid. ~Kerl

Here's what made me consider this issue:

In Coase's post he says:

>we have designed the system such that if you want to to gradually improve your 5x weapon from 0 to heavy weighting over a few years, you can do it for less than 12k bloodscrip (and will be able to break up part of that cost into silvers too) or for around 9m if you go the all-silvers route (silvers is the primary currency that we designed this for, BTW, not scrip or any other alternate currency).

As this is the release of the system, are those quoted costs remaining? These estimates are intended for the price to be paid out over several years. Some of the responses from other GMs indicated that the service (besides the obvious currency) will not be the same at each appearance in a number of factors, so I'm wondering if that includes price.

>What we really need is to be able to see the info on exact level of WPS upon assessment, that way people can make educated decisions when someone offers to sell them something that could potentially have a broad range of level of padding within a given current assessment description. How are you to know what you're getting if someone is offering to sell you a superbly padded set of armor? Currently, you don't, at a scale that far exceeds what it was a week ago. ~Kerl

Certainly don't disagree and have requested it myself in about a dozen places. What is dismaying is not a single response of "we're looking at it" after so many requests from so many different people, especially with the ASSESS issues.

>Zissu did say "It's something I'd like to do."

except we have the situation where the assessments are completely wrong. it needs to be upped in priority

>From the hits i'm taking in arena, it looks like the HCP is ACTUALLY gone from my armor, not just in the loresong and assess. can i get some GM love please? crit padding is a big part of my build and i'm afraid my arena performance is suffering.

The drama doesn't end with drama armor!

did you try bugitem? assisting?

>I spent more mental energy than I should have trying to figure out if drama armor was a script I wasn't aware of or not.

searching for drama armor on the wiki will bring you to the appropriate place now.

Now I'm wondering if somebody will MAKE a drama armor script... When you die, your character launches into a 5 minute long death speech, which cannot be interrupted or stopped through any mechanism...

Sounds like something some of those pompous elves might do... hrm....

~ Valyrka ~
Ta'Illistim
Elves
Dark Elves

"While you might think I'm just pressing buttons and creating cash grabs, I'm actually dedicating all my time and energy to this game..."


Hey Wyrom, I can write you a simple loop script for that. Don't fall asleep though or you get a crushing exp penalty, you can't play any games at EG or do the special quests, AND you can't even open the boxes at Reim as a side effect...although - "working as intended!"

I mean, that's what I hear anyway...
because, <---angel

Seriously though, I'm sure some of this has been suggested and is already being looked at, but very specifically:

- Warriors should be able to see exact points of padding (this is the one I am sure everyone is onto)

- Bards should now be able to see general padding messages such as "lightly, decent, heavy", etc...on padding because as long as point one happens it does not take food off warrior's tables

The following is because it still seems we cannot enchant items with TD properties:

- IF TD is in the flare slot, maybe, like some flares, make a pre-temper for TD...a t'deneh potion perhaps (Pulled out all the creative stops on that one!)

- on the above point my idea is to use the padding scale to directly translate difficulty for TD...like lets say 1 TD=lightly and 10 TD=expertly (for purposes of increasing difficulty as it relates to enchanting)...so +8 td enchanting is as hard as enchanting masterful padding. I know TD is essentially a magic resistance, it is not, however, a magic impossibility on a level like krodera or something, so why not? Likewise, this would stack WITH padding. You're not going to get an enchant off on masterful armor with +10 TD. I feel like this opens possibilities while maintaining reasonable balance.

Not unpopular at all

>> Diablo has identification, but once you identify the item, you know exactly what it is.

Personally this is where I would strike the balance. A new item requires that it be sung to or 405 cast on it or a warrior assess it to bring out properties. Once that is done then the information remains 'known'. Helps keep a sense of wonder / excitement around newly found items but then offers convenience / less tedium around already discovered items.

My two silvers worth on the subject.

-- Robert

You gesture at a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
The scream of tortured metal echoes around you as the lightning bolt strikes a colossal glaes-covered meteor.

Loresinging was the reason I originally became a bard, and one of my favorite things about the game.

Just dumping it would be horrible.

---

Fyonn's player

Gads it's an awful system

I like the idea of having it checkable once known as suggested, like how player shops work. If it's sung to or assessed or whatnot, it'll show up. Maybe it could be included in either appraise or analyze, especially since the latter works on items in rooms now and all.

_ _ _
Wyrom gestures at you, causing you to explode.

> Is the temporary vacuum resistance preventing me from enchanting this? Wow that would change a slightly useful feature into a major downside.

Yes. They're a pain.

~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox

You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!

"Is casting Tonis Bolt repeatedly while an empath heals to remove temporary resistance a violation of policy? I'm sure it probably is but one could make a reasonable argument.-Daid"

Just get a GOS master and eat herbs every 3 seconds. Shouldn't be that much longer.

GBB

Out of curiosity, with the revamp to WPS, is there a reason that katanas are still being singled out as a restricted item for things like enchanting services? General katanas should just be at 150 services worth of weighting under the new scale, right?

You slam your mithril spikestar into the slowly descending meteor!
A large piece of the meteor shatters, exposing an opening!

Yeah allowing weighting up to heavy/150 service points but disallowing katanas is ridiculous.

Keith/Brinret/Eronderl

Keith is correct

-Wyrom, APM

Keith is correct.

-GameMaster Estild

>>I'm trying to understand why the capped warrior would see DCW but the lower level would see SWCW.

There may be a random component to what the warrior see's. Clunk has had the messaging about what he sees vary from one message to the next, so usually checks two or three times, and holds entire conversations with folks about what he 'thinks' about his assessment.



Clunk

(Buy your swords at CBD weapons in Zul Logoth.)

Assess will not report incorrect information, either in the IC or OOC line. Lack of skill may show no information at all, or limited information (like your line) where the IC amount is not shown.

Was the first assessment before the new WPS system, or after?

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

Found it. Items between 60 and 70 services were reporting 'decently' rather than 'somewhat'. This is fixed now.

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

>> so? is there no random or completeness component in the assess?

If you get a read, it is accurate. The only random component is that you may have to make multiple attempts before getting a reading.

-- Robert

Damp deeply exclaims, "It's a wizard's locked project!"