They don't half or reduce That piece. Only when you layer. If you have padded resistance spiked armor with no accessories, everything is full

Spikes reduce your crit padding by half?

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>Potentially ignorant and slightly off topic follow-up - enhancive armor accessories effect padding values too if spiked/flaring accessories do?

Enhancive properties on armor accessories should not halve the underlying armor's properties. Pretty certain of that, as I chased down that answer before. It's resistances, flares, spikes, and padding that get other properties nerfed.

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!>tell child to be quiet
The child cries, "I don't wanna!"

Somebody should check if the identifying sheaths work with the new system. I would check it myself, but I don't have a weighted weapon.

"Think of each padding calculation separately. When calculating crit padding at a hit location with both torso and an accessory covering, the item with the higher level of crit padding is chosen. Then the unchosen item is checked for other attributes and if one is found, the crit padding is halved. Damage padding is treated as an item attribute when calculating crit padding, just like spikes, resistance, and flares. This calculation is largely unchanged with this update except for the addition of a new attribute to check against." -- Zissu, #241

"Armor items that have BOTH crit and damage padding on them do not see the padding values halved.
If you are stacking a damage padding accessory over crit padded torso armor at the hit location, these values will be halved." -- Zissu, #155

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These seem to be contradictory.

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1) Here we have JoeFighter, wearing his 10-point 'Heavily' crit-padded armor (from PremiumPoints). He finds and decides to wear this 30-point 'Expertly' crit-padded helm. He gets hit in the head.
The location says the highest bonus available is 'Expert', and because these are both 'crit padding' there is no halving.
Accurate?

2) JoeFighter wearing some alternate, 10-point 'Heavily' damage-padded armor (from PremiumPoints). Same 30-point 'Expertly' crit-padded helm. He gets hit in the head.
Location says highest bonus is 30-point 'Expert', but because crit-padded helm <> damage-padded armor, bonus is halved to 15 'Exceptionally' for this hit.
Accurate?

3) JoeFighter wearing that same 10-point 'Heavily' damage-padded armor, and 30-point 'Expert' crit-padded helm, wanders into the smithy at Duskruin and plonks down enough bloodscrip to get 10 B(ought services), 10 'New' points on the Zissu chart, adding +1 T(ier) of crit-padding to his damage-padded armor because this is now allowed.
And he gets hit in the head again.
Location says highest bonus is 30-point 'Expert' crit vs. 1-point 'Lightly' crit, 30 points wins.
Helm says 'crit' == armor says 'damage and also crit', so there is NO HALVING.
30 points of benefit is applied.
Accurate?

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English	Oh my god! There's an axe in my head.
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Visigothic	Meina guth, Ikgastaldan aqizi-wunds meina haubida
Swedish	Ah, Herregud! Jag har en yxa i huvudet!
Dutch	O, mijn God! Er zit een bijl in mijn hoofd.
Latin	Deus Meus! Securis in capite meo est.
German	Oh mein Gott! Ich habe eine Axt im Kopf!
Japanese	ahh, kamisama! watashi no atama ni ono ga arimasu.
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Spanish	Dios mio! Hay una hacha en mi cabeza!
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Bengali	Oh Allah! Amar mathar upor bash poreche.
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Assyrian	iliya pashum ina reshimi bashu
Welsh	A nuw! Mae bywell yn fy mhen i!
Alsatian	Lever Gott! Es esch a Axe en miner Kopf!
Swahili	Siyo! (Huko) Shoka yangu kichwanil!
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Irish	Mo Dhia! Ta' tua sa mo cheann.
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Marathi	Aray Devaa! Majhyaa dokyaat kurhaad aahay.
Hindi	Hay Bhagwaan! Mere sar mein kulhaadi hain.
Russian	Bozhe moi! Eto topor v moyei golove!
Hebrew	Eloi! Yesh'li ca-sheel ba-rosh sheh-li!
Malayalam	Entey Deiwame, entey thalayil oru kodali undei.
Latvian	Ak Dievs! Man ir cirvis galva!

OOH! While we're asking about items that play with the new system...

I've lost track of who the current owner may be--and I'm pretty sure it's "Not Me", though not 100% positive--but there was a (maybe several?) suit(s) of armor (chain & plate, I think, maybe?) from one of the Auctions (maybe 1998? 2000?) that you could activate (rub?) and it would change between crit- and damage-padded. I think it pulsed green for one and blue for the other, or something?

Could this be retcon'd to be "always both"?

>>Still may be worth paying (in this example) +100 B(ought services) to go to T(ier) 31 on the helm, with 30 crit/1 damage, just to avoid the halving....

yeah. in general, once you start down the piecemeal armor path, you should probably treat your base armor as just a vehicle for enchant bonus, and keep all your padding in your accessories.

<- If your item started at 45/'Incredibly', and you apply all 25 B(ought services), you are now at 3525 'New' on Zissu's chart. Unfortunately, you need to be at 4000 to go to the next T(ier) 46/'Incredibly', so you only need 475 B(ought services) more to get there....>

In this case, I believe each point is every 300 services to get to 50. So 2.5 years if doing 20 services every 60 days to go from 45 to 46, the first point of wondrous for example. Another decade after that for the max 50. I'm not going to add up the costs again because today is a new day, but they should be divided by 10 or 20 due to the very sizable limiting factor of the sheer amount of service or points (time) within the scale :/

He wasn't kidding earlier either about the additional surcharge of picking up damage weighting on a crit weighted item! I was at 292,135 bloodscrip per 25 services (X60).



If it makes you feel any better, I saw your item convert and I freaked a bit because I thought I had a bug...

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

"I'm pretty sure it's "Not Me", though not 100% positive--but there was a (maybe several?) suit(s) of armor (chain & plate, I think, maybe?) from one of the Auctions (maybe 1998? 2000?) that you could activate (rub?) and it would change between crit- and damage-padded." -- Me, #260

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And the answer is, it was a Foehn's Promise item:

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Category The Marketplace (10)
Topic Armor (2)
Message a veil iron chain hauberk - reversible crit/damage padding (842)
By RICHARDR
On May 9, 2000 at 17:25

a veil iron chain hauberk - +25 somewhat crit/damage padded 35 pounds and 99/445 first 22.5m (down from 30m) takes this unique armor.

Links of dwarven-forged metal fall together to form a protective barrier between the hauberk's wearer and harm. The design is simple and elegant, unmarked by anything other than exceptional craftsmanship. You also notice a small enchanter's mark.

rub my haub You run your hand over your hauberk, a chill ripple of blue light following in the wake of your fingers. (crit padding - low resonant note)

rub my haub You run your hand over your hauberk, a chill ripple of green light following in the wake of your fingers. (damage padding - deep bass note)

This was an auction item from the first pay airship auction. Lookin fer coin only. I paid 7.5m + an item I was offered 25m fer, total 32.5m for this hauberk. Maybe I overpaid but I dun think so. How many reversible padded armors are out der? 22.5m fer dis is a steal.

A question that was prompted by a discussion in the platchat Discord, which may change my plans for an item:

If I have permanent flares added to an item with large amounts of weighting, will the potency and frequency of the flare be significantly diminished, or are diminishing returns on flares solely for temporary ones?

You slam your mithril spikestar into the slowly descending meteor!
A large piece of the meteor shatters, exposing an opening!

>>Morphing armor is assessing at the smithy as a 'combat script', costing the same as Voln, for example.

This should be fixed.

~Zoelle~

>>>>Morphing armor is assessing at the smithy as a 'combat script', costing the same as Voln, for example.

>>This should be fixed.

>>~Zoelle~

Still seeing the same pricing as this morning on my morphing armor. Hoping that it's still broken instead of just being this way.


Speaking in Faendryl, Jahosk says, "You will now be known as Blade Durakar, the Palestra."

>>>>Still seeing the same pricing as this morning on my morphing armor. Hoping that it's still broken instead of just being this way.
>>Sorry I made a minor mistake and just corrected it. This should be fixed.
>>~Zoelle~

Nope, still seeing the exact same appraisals on it now as 13 hours ago.

8x grapple flaring, T3 ensorcelled, fusion, 30% fire resist, 30% lightning resist, morphing platemail
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Item: some blackened incarnadine platemail sculpted with rippling musculature
Modified Padding Type: Damage
Current Service Window Count: 0
Service Window Reset: 0d 0h 0m
Estimated Costs:
Next Service: 645 bloodscrip
Next 5 Services: 3225 bloodscrip
Next 10 Services: 7256 bloodscrip
Next 15 Services: 16,931 bloodscrip
Next 20 Services: 28,218 bloodscrip
Next 25 Services: 63,693 bloodscrip
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Item: some blackened incarnadine platemail sculpted with rippling musculature
Modified Padding Type: Critical
Current Service Window Count: 0
Service Window Reset: 0d 0h 0m
Estimated Costs:
Next Service: 709 bloodscrip
Next 5 Services: 3547 bloodscrip
Next 10 Services: 7981 bloodscrip
Next 15 Services: 18,624 bloodscrip
Next 20 Services: 31,040 bloodscrip
Next 25 Services: 70,063 bloodscrip
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Speaking in Faendryl, Jahosk says, "You will now be known as Blade Durakar, the Palestra."

I had the same thing, a steel claid. Not enhancive or any other properties but a 2.5M loresong and 800K pawn appraisal.


If it makes you feel any better, I saw your item convert and I freaked a bit because I thought I had a bug...

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

>Bottom line is we need a way to track these numbers.

+1

I love the changes. just one small request. some paladins choose to bond to a weighted weapon vs a non-weighted to avoid the negative affects of things like gas pockets in the bowels with plasma flares. can we maybe channel 1604 at the weapon to turn on/off the guiding light flares, since we get them on weighted weapons now too whether we want to or not?
Thanks

Hm. So, weird issue. I have some 10x hcp t5 augmented chain. I added damage padding for 1 point, and now it only assesses and sings as damage padded. Is that just a limitation in the assess/loresing?

~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox

You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!

Add another vote here, as an assessing warrior. People are wanting to know more specifics now. They need to know when they are going to hit exactly 150 services and no more, for things like flaring, blessing, enchanting, etc. We now need to be able to discern that. It's just true.

How can anyone be mad at this update? I've got 4 items now in the process of now getting upgraded padding/weighting where before it was just wishful thinking.

In 14 months when they're all (hopefully) done, i'm buying everyone lunch.

I hope everyone can get over the outrage of not being able to throw their armor in the microwave and pull it out 30 seconds later with a high level of padding. A little patience goes a long way, and if people think about it 1 year from now you'll probably find you've spent a lot less on padding/weighting more items than if you had just bought a couple weighting/padding tickets.

>If everything is consistent, I think it would be good to add a permanent estimating NPC (in silvers) to all major towns.

I would love to see this happen - for planning purposes. Please consider giving each town smith an assistant or apprentice who can do this.

- Overlord EK

>You now regard Eorgina with a warm demeanor.