>>Unless there have been changes to the way padding combines across items, this is still the case. e.g. adding a small amount of damage padding to my armor would cost me half the crit padding on my head and legs.
Armor items that have BOTH crit and damage padding on them do not see the padding values halved.
If you are stacking a damage padding accessory over crit padded torso armor at the hit location, these values will be halved.

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

Posted this in a couple places but...

Before examining the time and cost, we need to find out more about new approaches. For instance, how much cost to hcp 0x? How hard to enchant.

For instance, you can hcp the 0x weapon, enchant it to 5x, use a premium win or something to add flares, then 5x or 6x it.

Or maybe start using the adv guild and just temp add flares.

The fact that this gear can be enchanted means we have to stop the old thinking that Only 6x+ gear is worth servicing.

>If you are stacking a damage padding accessory over crit padded torso armor at the hit location, these values will be halved.

At the moment I have unpadded armor and temporary crit padded accessories and it seems to me that there's no point getting any padding under the new rules because the first service kills the value of my accessories while doing virtually nothing for my armor.

Ethereal Armor still eligible with padding flares under the new system. And per what I'm reading, everything should still be enchantable while working on the padding.

Lastly, if it's currently tempering, is it eligible for a service?

~Whirlin

Darconas, when they implement something of this magnitude, it is generally a good idea to limit it far more than you intend to in the future so that if something goes wrong, it's more contained. Further, it's a learning experience for the GMs and as they learn what works well and what doesn't, they will tweak it. Using this release as a baseline for the future is a useless exercise in frustration, rather than a proper estimate of how difficult and costly it really will be.

I'd wait a few more events with these sorts of merchants before forming an opinion on this. I will say, though, it would probably have gone over better if they had waited until after Duskruin to release it via a wandering merchant or smaller event. That way player expectations for Duskruin padding could have been set in advance for next time, rather than having it sprung on them this time. That's part of their learning experience, though. :)

Josh

I'm all for experimentation, but quite frankly, you don't use a cash event to experiment. If they want to tweak the numbers, you do it with silvers and then roll it into a simucoin event.
So people are very justified because not only is the entrance gated behind a random chance that someone is spending real money on, but the service itself effectively requires real money be given to Simutronics in the form of simucoins.

That doesn't invalidate anyone's hard work, it doesn't mean the whole thing is garbage, it's just people expressing their disappointment that their real life money expenditure doesn't appear to be getting them what they expected. It seems this information was settled upon going into this project, I'm not sure why it wasn't expressed before hand. Other's have voiced their concerns as to why it might not have been. So now you have people who've invested decades of time into the game and people who have spent thousands of dollars in a short period of time, combined with a small community (compared to other games etc) who is understandably vocal and invested in getting what they feel is fair for what they've put into it.


Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

>>Regarding the armor accessories over armor, you're saying as long as one of the two parts of the equation has both types of padding, you won't see a halving of padding?
Not quite.
- Having 2 types of padding on the same item have no effect on each other.
- Having torso armor and an accessory of the same type of padding will choose the larger of the two.
- Having one of the two with padding, and the other with another attribute (including a different type of padding) will halve the padding benefit.

The reasoning behind this is if all of these properties are on the same item, the servicing aspect of those items is calculated accordingly. When split across two items, it would make those items serviceable independently much cheaper while providing the same benefit.

>>Could we see a change to assessing or loresong that will show how far into a padding/weighting cycle an item is?
It's something I'd like to do.

>>Lastly, if it's currently tempering, is it eligible for a service?
Yes.

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

I suspect it will be more in line as a merchant service that is as commonly available as GALD (or close to it).

-- Robert

You gesture at a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
The scream of tortured metal echoes around you as the lightning bolt strikes a colossal glaes-covered meteor.

Thanks for all the answers Zissu, but I have a couple more questions! :)


Just to clarify your last answer re: halving or rather not halving of padding on a single item of armor with different services.

-- How does this work with a suit of armor with flares or TD in the primary slot and padding of one or both types in the W/P/S slot? Is the padding in this case also not halved since all of the service types are on the one piece of armor? If so, this is another great change with this new system.



-- Also, for W/P/S service costs how does having 2 different types of weighting or padding interact? Say you had 150 points of damage padding and 150 points of critical padding on a suit of armor. Is the cost for adding more damage padding only using the existing 150 damage padding as a basis or is it calculated off the combined service points of 300 (150 damage + 150 critical) already on it?

-- Related to that question, are the 5000 point service caps exclusive of each other or is that combined, ie you could only get 2500 of both or you could get 5000 of both.


This last question is for Wyrom and Zissu, you both answered my question on the gem eating armor script but I would like to clarify something. It has been quite frustrating to test out the script since there is no easy way to quickly swap out gems, plus needing to track down a bard and there is zero information available on the wiki. I still don't know a gem for at least a third of the effects heh.

-- Does the script still block the primary flare/td service slot, ie can we add flares to it now? I understand the weighting effect is moved to the W/P/S slot which can't be serviced. Zissu said the script still controls the primary slot and Wyrom said the slot is now available ... just a bit confused. :)

I'm hoping that the current Premium padding option remains for some time (I have less than a year to go before adding padding to some armor I've been working on in preparation).

>> -- Will premium padding still overwrite existing padding under 150 or will it be additive now?

It seems in line with how it has worked to date that it would overwrite. Making it additive would be overly powerful / abusive I think... maybe a PP price reduction / credit given for any existing padding (under HCP) would be cool though - prorate the price by 1 - (X / 150) where X is the number of padding points already on the armor.

>> -- With premium padding, can we now get both damage and critical padding on a piece of armor? Meaning, submit it twice to Sadie, once for damage and once for critical?

If I understand correctly, adding the second set of padding would be more expensive than the first set as the armor would already have 150 points of padding on it (I don't have the table handy but it would be more than 150 more points to have the 2nd type of padding added to the same level). So maybe not in line with the current Premium PP padding offering?

It's a new system so anything is possible!


-- Robert

You gesture at a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
The scream of tortured metal echoes around you as the lightning bolt strikes a colossal glaes-covered meteor.

>>[The new system] is for everyone, whether you grind bloodscrip or just want to play the game and improve your favorite pieces of gear over time.
-Coase

This is exactly what I wanted to read in this thread. Thank you for designing around long term goals for people like me who don't play this game for the grind, but for the socializing :) I'll never have silver enough to buy the super high end gear and I'm fine with that, but this gives me the chance to keep mechanically improving the armor I have, whereas before it was only fluff enhancements (<3 Rikelle) that I could look forward to.

Ditto what Crime said too:
>>I applaud all the GM's involved in this progressive system.

/seo, wheels and skulls department/

The point about freeing up a 'spot' is not applicable for bows and armor. Just saying.

I asked you directly during SoE if it'd be possible still to go from none to HCP at comparable or lesser costs than the previous certs, and you said yes. Following you're statement there, and the previous statement along the same lines in April, I held off on getting the "drama" armor and sadie padding services, based on my trust in you to be telling me the straight story on this. Bottom line, trusting you screwed me over, and now I really don't want to play this game anymore with you at the helm, because I simply do not trust you or the staff under you anymore. If you had been straight with us from the start, I would have done things a lot differently. All this hush hush, is perceived to drive up sales during this DR before dropping this load of crap on us. People expected to be able to get to HCP this run. I didn't sell all my silver to buy simucoin to farm duskruin til my eyes bled for LCP. The item offering were mostly fluffy this run or not very useful as a caster, so my hopes of finding something cool this run were already dashed, padding was the one thing I was banking on. The simple truth is Wyrom, trusting you screwed me, and it's left such a sour taste in my mouth over it, that I don't really want to play anymore. People say it's just a game, but when you feel like that game is designed to milk you constantly for minimum returns, and you stop and think about how much real money things are costing, and the value of your account in the secondary market, then you get lied to after spending real money based on previous statements... It's crap.

I think you should revisit the accessories with same type of padding. As it stands, this change makes almost all padded accessories pointless in the long term. Some people bought accessories on the presumption that it would remain impossible to pad armor with other properties, In my case, s spent about 2500 PPs to pad a helm just a month or two ago. I never would have done that had I known this change was coming.

I'd also like to second the poster who requested that warrior assessment show more information. As much as the numbers are OOC, I'd like assessment to now provide exact numbers. With the greatly expanded spread, the current assessment language no longer provides adequate information.

Kerl

You could previously pad both of those armors under the old system. I don't see why we couldn't now. The numbers in the script should be scaled up and should still stack with the padding on the armor itself.

Wyrom says, "Ordim is the reason savants won't be coded as well."

>>So... sighting on e-bows... yes? no?

Muwahahaha. . .

Doug

>>I'll also see if there is something we can do for the people who were anticipating "heavy" being offered

You mean everyone? I would say it boils down to most of us.

Fyrentennimar


Quote: "Jaynah says, "This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.""

>>They've outright said there should even be automated npcs doing it too. So festivals should have it available for several days in a go.

The next festival is eg, that is less than two months away so anything worked on now will still be locked.

Fyrentennimar


Quote: "Jaynah says, "This is more fun than rolton tipping and blood eagle ridin combined.""

I don't think this has been asked yet. GoS sigils have not changing from their current functionality which I think has been previously stated. Is the application of such though different now? If I use sigil of major protection while wearing unpadded armor, it would result in HCP (150 pts on the new scale). If I use the same sigil while wearing HCP armor, I would go from 10 to 20 on the old scale. If the sigil is adding 150 pts under the new system, the sigil becomes less effective as the padding of your armor goes up. This is not a complaint, just looking for clarification.

The next festival is festival of the fallen. EG is the next pay fdstival.