The updated scale is for merchant services on gear. That scale is translated into the old effect numbers when it comes time to calculate combat benefits. GoS sigils, mage armor, etc don't operate through gear, they continue to operate directly within the combat system. Their interactions with combat are unchanged.

Coase

>> Could we see a change to assessing or loresong that will show how far into a padding/weighting cycle an item is?

And because it has not been addressed yet:

Could we also please get either the loresinging or the assessing to report the correct temporary or not temporary status on padded/weighted gear, please?

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Abandoned inn crystal still isn't seeing it. :) Not to be a pest, but for Duskruin loot sorting, the AIC is my home boy.

Wonderful, thanks for the heads up. Sorry, my navigation skills are a bit lacking.

I've had a few questions around the interaction of weighting/padding and the temporary item benefits. In all instances below, the sum of all weighting/padding types on the item is used to calculate the effectiveness.

1) Blessing weapons with weighting is reduced in potency by reducing the number of charges of bless the weapon holds. The more weighting on the item, the fewer swings you will receive when blessing it.

2) Temporary flares from eblade, holy water (bless), and guiding light will have the potency of the flare (how hard they hit) reduced by weighting/padding on the item. This is calculated on every flare, so the order in which the enhancements are placed on the item does not matter. This starts at 1 point of combat effectiveness, and essentially caps out at heavy (10) points of effectiveness. Trying to apply temp flares on something heavy or over will block it outright.

3) Eblade +AS bonus works in the same way, having the items +AS scale downwards with the amount of weighting, starting at 1 point of combat effectiveness and resulting at no bonus at heavily weighted.

4) Guiding Light from paladin bonding follows the same rules above. Guiding Light flares will automatically fall off the item some short time after it reaches heavy.

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

How will voln bless from a voln master work with weighted weapons? Will they be able to bless them? Thanks


Sentral.

<<How will voln bless from a voln master work with weighted weapons? Will they be able to bless them?

You know the system is live, right? Try it. It's disappointing. The bless lasts a few swings at best.

Strange it didn't work on that light weighted knife.

I did GET also to make sure it updated.

If it makes you feel any better, I saw your item convert and I freaked a bit because I thought I had a bug...

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

So, am I understanding right that with a combined 5,000 pt cap per item, instead of that final (old +5) crit weighting, I could instead pickup 1,500 points of damage weighting - ending with incredible crit weighting & expertly damage weighting (3,500 + 1,500), for reducing pricing due to the lower tiers and scale)?


If it makes you feel any better, I saw your item convert and I freaked a bit because I thought I had a bug...

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

I do believe I saw somewhere that the 5000 points is a combined total cap on both crit and damage wighting/padding.

I appear to be getting a second line of third-person messaging when successfully assessing an item with both types of weighting on it:

1st:
You accept Lofe's offer and are now holding an invar-tipped mithril troll-claw.
>assess my troll
You assess the troll-claw for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the mithril troll-claw has a base strength of 80 and a base durability of 225. You also determine the current integrity of the mithril troll-claw to be at 100.0%.

You heft the weapon a few times...but note nothing unusual about it.
Roundtime: 25 sec.
R>assess my troll
You assess the troll-claw for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the mithril troll-claw has a base strength of 80 and a base durability of 225. You also determine the current integrity of the mithril troll-claw to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the troll-claw, it looks like it is temporarily fairly weighted to inflict more damage.

It also appears that it is temporarily fairly weighted to inflict more critical blows than a normal weapon of its type.

Roundtime: 25 sec.
R>assess my troll
You assess the troll-claw for structural weaknesses and strengths.

Careful examination indicates the mithril troll-claw has a base strength of 80 and a base durability of 225. You also determine the current integrity of the mithril troll-claw to be at 100.0%.

Checking out the troll-claw, it looks like it is temporarily fairly weighted to inflict more damage.

It also appears that it is temporarily fairly weighted to inflict more critical blows than a normal weapon of its type.

Roundtime: 23 sec.


3rd:
Volmir has accepted your offer and is now holding an invar-tipped mithril troll-claw.
>
Volmir hefts the troll-claw a few times, getting a feel for it.
>
Volmir hefts the troll-claw a few times, getting a feel for it.
Volmir hefts the troll-claw a few times, getting a feel for it.
>
Volmir hefts the troll-claw a few times, getting a feel for it.
Volmir hefts the troll-claw a few times, getting a feel for it.

You slam your mithril spikestar into the slowly descending meteor!
A large piece of the meteor shatters, exposing an opening!

<< It appears the crystal at the abandoned inn needs some love in regards to reading weighting/sighting. >>

The Solhaven equivalent of the AI crystal needs fixing too. I believe those are the only two fixed locations in the lands. There are one or two portable AI crystals from auctions, if I am not mistaken.

<< Where is the Solhaven AI? >>

In the alchemist shop. Take the stairs.

I think it would just be best if the analyze gets updated with each service. 150/5000 or something along those lines. To help prevent fraud.

http://i.imgur.com/lsWPzG9.gif

Hmm, thanks for the info.

I'll try quotes on that too once it is active.


If it makes you feel any better, I saw your item convert and I freaked a bit because I thought I had a bug...

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

I suppose more than a few players now will be buying existing WPS gear to alter, rather than trying to improve their own vanilla gear. In the long term, it's probably better to recycle high-end gear and let new high-end gear manifest slowly over time. In the short term, the people who already own this gear and are willing to sell it stand to gain the most. It might be good PR to extend some kind of return policy for people who recently used PPs to update their gear.

Since wizards can now enchant WPS gear, hopefully merchant enchant can be scaled back. This should solve several of the issues with enchanting that have been discussed on and off since 925 was updated, and make wizards a lot more useful as a service profession.

@any gm that can answer,

How does this change affect the steel no-dachi released at the great auction last year?

From what I understand it had 10 pts of weighting under the old system and would flare to 15. Does this still work the same under the new system? Can it have more weighting added to it?

Can it be enchanted and ensorceled now?

Or is it still heavily restricted?

Also, how does a razern katana work under the new system?


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>>Interaction question #3736382193783!
Let this be a lesson to anyone who thinks its a good idea to mess with something named "The charts of CLARITY"

>>Are adv guild flares considered temporary grade or permanent grade? Do you get them at full potency on hcp gear? Can you even add them?
I'll have to get back to you on this one.

>>Could a GM please confirm that if you had HCP + a minimum 1 point of damage padding (of the old scale), that if you put on an armour accessory that had either temp/perm exceptional damage padding that it would not cause halving of any kind?

Think of each padding calculation separately. When calculating crit padding at a hit location with both torso and an accessory covering, the item with the higher level of crit padding is chosen. Then the unchosen item is checked for other attributes and if one is found, the crit padding is halved. Damage padding is treated as an item attribute when calculating crit padding, just like spikes, resistance, and flares. This calculation is largely unchanged with this update except for the addition of a new attribute to check against.

I hear the desire now that its possible to revisit, its something I'll discuss with others.

>>How does this change affect the steel no-dachi released at the great auction last year? From what I understand it had 10 pts of weighting under the old system and would flare to 15. Does this still work the same under the new system? Can it have more weighting added to it?

Still works the same, and unfortunately cannot be added to as those are managed by the script. The new system won't let any more be added due to this.

>>Can it be enchanted and ensorceled now? Or is it still heavily restricted?
I'm not positive about these. I did not change any specific restrictions on this item.

>>Also, how does a razern katana work under the new system?
These should generate with 12pts of combat effectiveness.

Zissu - Combat and Magic Systems Dev Lackey

Think of each padding calculation separately. When calculating crit padding at a hit location with both torso and an accessory covering, the item with the higher level of crit padding is chosen. Then the unchosen item is checked for other attributes and if one is found, the crit padding is halved. Damage padding is treated as an item attribute when calculating crit padding, just like spikes, resistance, and flares. This calculation is largely unchanged with this update except for the addition of a new attribute to check against.

tl;dr version:
yes padding is halved when you mix damage and crit padding accessories/armor even if you have both types of padding on the base armor.

Since when have resistance or spikes halved padding levels? That's news to me. I can't recall seeing that anywhere. Guess adding spikes or resistance to crit padded armor is a giant waste?