"you want to ever hope to attain items beyond plain jane 7x enchant with multiple properties in a reasonable time frame." -- AllenM20

Step back a moment and re-read that. :)

In my old table-top D&D, a mere +7 weapon would've been GREAT! It does other stuff, too? (This is where item creep & Monty Hall come in.) A 10x weapon, here, is like a +10 one there; +50% to your swing (on a d20), and we're demanding acces to more? Hand-warmer hilt, blade de-icer, brings coffee & croissant in the morning?

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With that said, though, I think you & also Kandor have some good thoughts to elaborate on. Bring out more about the currencies & market manipulation in the discussion.

Stupid tablet fill-in.

No o in Foehn's, that was an if/THEN statement (not they).

<mutter, grumble>

>Voln Armor

If memory serves, Voln Armor unlocks were offered at Midsummer Night's Festival 2016. That was slightly more than a year ago. I could agree with most points, except that. Just because it hasn't been offered in the last year, there are a lot of things that go more than a year (Forest Armor, for instance) without services being offered, but that doesn't mean the availability for silver has been removed. It just means they haven't been offered in a while, for silver.

I mean, I understand the argument. I'm not a huge fan of the strong focus on microtrans. But that's not my decision to make. It never was, and it never will be. I've also spent my fair share on microtrans events, and will probably continue to spend money on them where I deem worth in doing so, and then find disgust in myself afterwards for doing so. I've come away with some pretty nice items from the "P2W" model, and hopefully, once the disappointment wears off I can continue to enjoy the items gained from it for years to come.

>EG

I'm going to hold off any strong reactions until I see what's there. Or, at least I'll try to. I'm hoping seashells will be the currency to buy things from the prize wall, like Ebon Gate Tickets were the last couple of years. If digging costs simucoins per shovel, well, then I have the option to refrain from doing so, even though it was something in the past I enjoyed. Digging in the past was a silver maker, not so much the other games, but digging was.

>Closing Statement (hah)

I get that people are upset. Change, in what we've become familiar with and had so many years of memories, is upsetting and makes us nervous that. We're afraid that something we've become so fond of will no longer be available. Let's not hold the funeral before it's dead though. I recommend that we all Let It Ride, and see what happens. If it's a negative experience, then we have a ground to post our grievances.

>>I'm a fan of commas too. --Wyrom

*I'm a fan of commas, too.

~Liia, slinking back into OCD silence.



Gweneivia softly says, "Lavabombs are just the isle's way of saying it loves you."

One question might be how have silver prices on items changed? Does 6x HCP sell today for a similar price as it did 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

Chad, player of a few

>One thing that could help with silver issues is have a number of raffles through the year (good raffles) that are like the as many tickets as you want bloodscrip ones we have had a couple times.

I'd be all for this and I'm kind of surprised there aren't already a lot more of these.

>>>One thing that could help with silver issues is have a number of raffles through the year (good raffles) that are like the as many tickets as you want bloodscrip ones we have had a couple times.

>I'd be all for this and I'm kind of surprised there aren't already a lot more of these.


I would guess that more silvers would be drained if they just auctioned the item instead of raffling it. Raffling it might give more people an opportunity to win, but if the goal is to drain the most silvers, let whoever can pay the most have it. Otherwise, some random is going to win and auction it, and the silvers only pass from Hand A to Hand B.

People without silvers need the raffles, people with silvers want the guaranteed purchase.

>Briarmoon Cove was another event where silvers were required for some of the wins, such as an AsG change.

Yeah, that was an embarassing moment for me. when i won the 8x enchant.

If you want to keep silvers relevant add a silver+bloodscrip cost to these items. That's about the only thing I can think of since alt currency is the only real path to getting good items now.

~ Methais

Fixing the economy is going to take multiple changes, and many of them wouldn't be popular.

The first step is going to require turning off the faucet so to speak.

What would that look like?
- All gems lose 90% of their value. A 1000 silver gem, is now worth 100 silver.
- All skins lose 90% of their value.
- The pawnshop maximum selling price is reduced from 35k to 10k.
- The gem shop maximum selling price is 10k for jewelry and plinites.

Once you slow down the flow of silvers coming in, you begin to create ways for people to spend silvers.

The problem is Simu doesn't want silvers to be relevant because in their eyes silvers are a potential player to player transaction and Simu wants that cash going into their pocket. Selling silvers for Simucoins directly would have too much backlash, but they also know that people are gullible, so instead of selling silvers on the store its "Pay us to let you do a lot of grinding to earn this other type of fake money to buy cool items with because this is how we're going to be releasing items that people want now."

They're trying to be all stealthy about it and in denial but everyone with a pulse can see what's going on. Nobody expects them to admit it, just like nobody expects them to come out and say that DR dig is gsmbling, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone already knows it.

I wonder how long it will take before they start selling high end stuff directly on the store. I figured the homes they put up here and there were a test run.

Once silvers crash to the point that nobody wants them anymore, DR could take a too. A lot of people buy their books for silvers from someone who bought them for Simucoins. What happens then when people stop accepting silvers for books because silvers became worthless?

~ Methais

I'm talking about real money gambling. I figured that would be obvious.

One thing I don't get is Simu talks about too many silvers in the game with no real drain and how it's a problem, yet people are generating tons of silvers in DR. Someone on the PC was saying they made more in one DR run than they've made in the last decade total.

Apparently Simu's solution to having too many silvers in game is to flood the market exponentially while telling us that they're not trying to phase out silvers.

Can someone show me the math I must be missing here? Because that doesn't add up.

~ Methais

>There's a long history of over corrections in Gemstone.

You might consider it over correction, but I consider it how things should have always been. There's no reason that so many silvers have to be given for items found during hunting. Experience takes a long time to obtain, silvers should take some effort as well.

My suggestion would also be easy to fix assuming I understand how shops function.

Just add a bias to all races of 90% in the gemshop and furrier.

Then toggle the pawnshop to limit at 10k instead of 35k.

>There's no reason that so many silvers have to be given for items found during hunting

Who's finding good items while hunting? Is there a new Simucoin only accessible hunting area I didn't hear about?

~ Methais

>>Is there a new Simucoin only accessible hunting area

Shhhhh!!

/clears throat.

Nothing to see here, move along. Move along.

Doug

I find it amazing how oblivious they seem to be to the long term damage they're gonna do to the game making it require insane amounts of Simucoin purchases to get anything decent, since that's how good stuff gets released now.

Or maybe they do know and their bosses at Stillfront are instructing them to just get as much as they can while they still can and the inevitable catastrophic crash of the game itself will be worth the money they pulled in in the time leading up to it.

I don't see this leading to anything but short term gains for Dave and Stillfront, with the game itself going straight downhill in the long term if this cancer of pay2grind2win is their new business model while phasing out any non-Simucoin means of acquiring anything good.

I'm curious though, when Wyrom says "Silvers will still be useful in game" what does he view that as? Useful in the sense that you'll still need silvers to buy that quartz orb from the pawnshop for 500 coins? Or something that's actually significant and meaningful?

The reason why nothing will ever be implemented as a silver drain is because Simu's new thing is "Why charge silvers for this when we can charge Simucoins?"


~ Methais

>No. They were already here, where "Charging cash at the Box Office" instead of SimuCoins. "Why put this out as a new system in the main game when we could charge a ticket-price admission to use it?"

Except now they can get $2000 or whatever out of one item instead $50 (ticket price) + a bunch of silvers spent at (insert silver event at ticketed event).

This won't end well in the long term regardless.

~ Methais

If there's only one of those items, there's only one of them. Whether it goes to a raffle winner (in the event) or a high-bidder (in the event) or is given away free to the lucky box-finder (in the event), whomever wins, they all have one thing in common: they paid to get into the event.
And everyone ELSE, who also paid to get into that event, did NOT get one of That Item. (With something like Foehn's Promise, they got some other item, guaranteed, but not all events were like that.)

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However, for getting into that event. On a transaction-by-transaction basis, would you as a consumer rather have to plonk down the $175-200 cash out of pocket for ticket prices we saw for some of the high-power events (maybe RtCCF?)? Or $50 for a ticket (like EG was)? Or seventeen cents for <each one of however many tickets you buy>?

I heard that Powerball did NOT hit over the weekend, so next drawing is for $650+ million bucks, third largest in PowerBall history. (And the $1.6B that was last year, was split three ways, so this one could be a bigger actual payout if there's only one winner.)

Which would you rather do? Work 2000+ hours per year for your annual salary, or do only specific custom jobs on demand for a small piece, or pay $5 for a chance <for each one of however many tickets you buy> at really big money?
Okay, I know which one I would rather do.
And which is more likely to actually happen to wind up putting money in your hand?

I am unsure how using SIMUCOINS is considered an OOG means...but buying from players using $$$ is not? Or buying an Ebons Gate ticket was not? Or even hell just paying for your subscription?

The way I see it: Yes, they need to do more to increase the perceived value of silvers.

Being able to obtain items without having to be scalped by power merchants is a godsend. I am no market guru, nor am I able to generate billions of silver with my time constraints and RP habits. Thus, the only option I had to gain high end gear previously was to buy it for Real Life $$$'s from players. Now I can buy it for CHEAPER through an interesting mechanic via Duskruin.

Note: The mechanic could be way more interesting heh, but again.

I prefer it how it is now than how it was 'in the day'. Now I have a chance. Before I did not.



Berbels shrilly exclaims, "Ise takings hims tos secretses lairses!"

Berbels grabs you and drags you east.

>5 out of 6 posts are 1 person. This is beginning to look familiar.

Oh sorry, let me condense them all to one post so you won't have anything talk about. Since we have no edit feature I'll have to create a whole new post for it. But at least you'll feel better so it'll be worth it.

~ Methais