>Why not try grouping up with someone to try and negate your DS penalties?

Because very often when a person hunts alone, the critters don't swarm, but when they bring a friend, so do the critters. So hunting with a partner, to me, is worse than chancing it alone.<<

I don't have any friends... =(


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

<<I can't believe I'm not on that list! :P>>

Me, neither!

Guess that mean I have to hunt though, huh?

Nilandia

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>Why not try grouping up with someone to try and negate your DS penalties?>>>

Because I play late at night, when not a whole lot of people are around. If I wanted (need) to hunt in parties, I would be playing Everquest.....

<<Because very often when a person hunts alone, the critters don't swarm, but when they bring a friend, so do the critters. So hunting with a partner, to me, is worse than chancing it alone.>>

Yeah, exactly-- what if you're a pure caster grouped with a warrior who loves to mstrike? He takes a shot at something in a crowd he knows that he's alright facing, the pure goes to run and leaves his partner behind.

On the flip side, if he stays and ends up with RT, facing the swarm long enough to see a DS drop... the ever-favored square (who just wanted a skill to deal with swarms) is standing over the fallen body of his freshly-nerfed pure partner.

Isn't that the "Why" behind this whole system? Dealing with the problems squares had facing large swarms (of magical things, especially) by way of knocking down the other end of the spectrum in terms of DS?

Glad I didn't buy into that whole runestave nonsense...

--Fizzan's Player

>>You and everyone else. Honestly an invasion comes at this point I'm hiding in the inn with everyone else. When the town starts burning I'm popping myself to Four Winds Isle. I give it a month before all towns are overrun.

By Kobolds, rats or pookas too!

I say let the towns burn, whats the point of fighting in an invasion if 1) Massive scroll 2)Lag 3)Death is now 100% assured.

I guess they wan't to get rid of the want for invasions, so they can sit back and let the game govern itself, instead of taking time out to throw an invasion here or there...


~Jeff
Why do people look at the name ascendent, and say the first syllable, or part of it makes me look like something? As hardly means what the try to make it be, and only proves their level of maturity is low, and besides the first part is ascend

People. If there are even two of you in a swarm of 6 creatures it is still unlikely that either of you will be penalized. Two players is 2 points, so it takes 4 points of creatures attacking ONE person to hit the first penalty. That means that 4 of the 6 would have to attack one of you within a 10 second period for the penalties to start. If the two of you manage to stun/kill one or two of them in that same 10 seconds, the odds drop even further. Sheesh. This change really isn't that bad.

Josh

I'm noticing a trend here. The few people not opposed to this are warriors. The rest of us are trying to figure out what Wardens smoking and if he's willing to share. It'll help deaden the pain of multiple decays.


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

>But I'll live :)


But we may not thanks to these changes...:P

Odysia


"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies, cannot stand."

<<An engagement system, Heh. That's what stoped me from playing DR.
Advance , wait, advance, wait, advance, wait, Oh crap Got hit, ret , ret, ret, move, heal, advance, advance, advance, Hit ! Hit ! Woo ! Crap ! ret, ret, ret, I cant retreat ? Dead ?! Damnit !>>

I'll have to say I don't like the engagement system of DR. Sounds too clunky. I have played AOH a while back, and their engagement system makes sense. I'll see if I can remember basically how it works, or did when I played.

When you get into a room, you can only be hit by ranged weapons and can only hit stuff with ranged attacks (like my goo wand and bombs!). If you advance, you get into melee range, where you do your normal fighting. If you need to get out, you retreat back out of melee and take off. Normal advancing and retreating takes, as a guess, 5 seconds. Can't attack something while you're out of melee range, but you can attack if something's retreating, but not gotten out of range yet.

If you're in melee range, you can only be attacked by 4 critters, total. One on your front, one on your left, one on your right and one to your back. You can switch between which critter you're attacking. Same thing works with the critters. If you advance on a critter already being attacked, you fall into another position, whether front, left, right or back. I don't recall exactly if there were penalties or bonuses associated with what position you are relative to the critter.

Also, there are certain maneuvers, items or magic effects that let you get in and out of range without having to advance or retreat. My personal favorite was the bottled smoke of Obfuscates, which worked like a smoke screen when you threw it to the ground.

On a side note, AOH also has combinations of moves you can do that can be more effective than the individual moves. For example, if I jab twice, then follow with a front kick, my kick is more likely to hit than if I'd just thrown the kick alone. I'd love to see something like that for CMAN and the unarmed combat system.

Nilandia

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>Dealing with the problems squares had facing large swarms

What problems are those? They have insane redux and a wholeee huge list of cmans to play with.


Odysia


"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies, cannot stand."

People. If there are even two of you in a swarm of 6 creatures it is still unlikely that either of you will be penalized. Two players is 2 points, so it takes 4 points of creatures attacking ONE person to hit the first penalty. That means that 4 of the 6 would have to attack one of you within a 10 second period for the penalties to start. If the two of you manage to stun/kill one or two of them in that same 10 seconds, the odds drop even further. Sheesh. This change really isn't that bad.

Josh


ummm, Josh. Show me where it says, if in a group, your group will negate their group, please? I asked the question earlier. If they have five and we have three, and two (or more) of them attack me, do i get any relief from the defensive pushdown, because I am in a group too? I will look again, but I don't see where it says that.

PS Someone ask Wow-za his opinion

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~Jeff
Why do people look at the name ascendent, and say the first syllable, or part of it makes me look like something? As hardly means what the try to make it be, and only proves their level of maturity is low, and besides the first part is ascend

<<What problems are those? They have insane redux and a wholeee huge list of cmans to play with.

Odysia>>

I mean a 3 soft-second solution to the problem, as per E-waves, Quakes, mass holdings, mass calms, your new Nature's Touch-- even the ability to hide is a way to handle a swarm.

Cool manuevers, true. Great Redux, true. Doesn't much matter facing six creatures, trying to m-strike them all into a stun when half aren't stunnable and only two or three are in an offensive enough stance. You end up with one stunned creature, two slightly wounded and really angry ones and three more that weren't even touched, plus your insane RT for striking at them all.

Lucky for them this new system won't matter-- that much MoC training and they won't know the difference between 1 and 50 critters. heh.

--Fizzan's Player

>>Not really. In an invasion if there are 30 creatures in a room with 6 people(this is common) then it would take 12 attacks on 1 of the 6 people within a 10 second period to see even a minor pushdown on DS. <<

How do you figure that? From what I read, the only advantage multiple players give you is to give other targets for the monsters to swing at. If four creatures happen to swing at you, you're going to have your offensive DS, assuming you were in defensive to start. If 12 attack you, all you'll have is your spells.

Good luck living through that.

Gary

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>I guess they wan't to get rid of the want for invasions, so they can sit back and let the game govern itself, instead of taking time out to throw an invasion here or there... ~Jeff

Actually, with this I'll be more inclined to run invasions.

Currently, its hammeer the enter key to drop as many critters as I can so in a room with 75 level 50 beasts, ONE level 75 wizard cones them all in safety.

Boring.

Now, the wizard will have to retreat, or have support, or better yet, I can just drop less critters since folks will be using more tactics. Right now, invasions are only fun IF I target a small group of folks in a small area, with no hope of any high level PCs coming in an decimating them all with area-of-effect-song/spell-of-your choice.

I rarely invade anyone outside of Plat anymore for those reasons.

Honestly folks, haven't seen it yet, wait to scream a bit.

Then post where you think it can be improved.

<chuckle>


~Khaladon



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>I'm noticing a trend here. The few people not opposed to this are warriors. The rest of us are trying to figure out what Wardens smoking and if he's willing to share. It'll help deaden the pain of multiple decays.

If it makes you any happier - this warrior doesnt like it.

Landrion/Katryn

>I'm noticing a trend here. The few people not opposed to this are warriors.

I've got a rogue as my main, and a mixture of semis and pures as my secondaries. I'm in favour of this system. I hate hunting in groups. I'm still in favour of this system. I only have two characters out of 10 that has any MOC training. I'm, um, still in favour of this system.

I'm not so sure about the MOC requirements, but as has been said, the system's going to be monitored and tweaked as needed.

What other suggestions are out there on how to improve the system, rather than just saying it's horrible and should go away?

T.

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I personally don't care... really I don't hunt no more and if I do its in lower hunting area's those people will just suffer not me... heh

Since I help my paladin hunt... <shrug>

Its everyone elses loss if they decide to hunt that area and get swarmed...

I bet they didn't think of that part yet...

Scenerio 1

take the hunting area shan in solhaven, I bring my paladin there, with my level 100 empath and my level so and so healer... I live... people around me will get disarmed and killed and those clercis and empaths that fog in will get nailed and it will create a chain reaction.... oooh I can't wait... its going to be total chaos


Lets bring in the changes now!

Brimz

<< How do you figure that? From what I read, the only advantage multiple players give you is to give other targets for the monsters to swing at. If four creatures happen to swing at you, you're going to have your offensive DS, assuming you were in defensive to start. If 12 attack you, all you'll have is your spells. >>

No, Kitrina posted that players are assigned 1 point each and creatures at +/- 10 levels are assigned 1 point each. She also said that when the number of creature points reaches 2-1 you see the DS pushdown. 1 person will see it with 2 creatures, 2 people will see it with 4 because it rounds. It is also based on actuall attacks within a 10 second period, so if those 4 creatures don't all attack the same person in that period, no one will see a pushdown.

Josh