New hunting tactics:

prep 720
cast
e
prep 720
cast
s
prep 720
cast
sw
"Is that all the rooms?
think
"Yeah now to avoid critters and wait to fry. Sure hope no one walks in but hey hunting is supposed to be dangerous so this is just more REALISTIC.


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

Heh,

Let's see I am now going to get my DS stripped from me because as a rogue I can not afford any MOC. To top that off I am going to get knocked on my butt every time I turned around by pures trying to protect thier butts. Death-Sting and MOC know means I have to avoid all invasions. Oh this is going to be fun times.

Isle Goatherder

>>Death-Sting and MOC know means I have to avoid all invasions. Oh this is going to be fun times.

Isle Goatherder<<

You and everyone else. Honestly an invasion comes at this point I'm hiding in the inn with everyone else. When the town starts burning I'm popping myself to Four Winds Isle. I give it a month before all towns are overrun.


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

The other side of the coin on that invasion post... won't it be great to gang up on devilish NPCs now!

~ Kitrina

::laughs::

oh man where is Zerroth when we need him to test it on...

That would actually be cool!

Brim

>Wizards Meteor swarm and tremors

laugh

You meteor me babe and there isn't a spike of mine you will be able to dodge....:P


Heh

You could only imagine the honeymoon :)

Brimz

<<Everyone is happy accept the empaths that shouldn't be hunting in the first place <rofl> sorry guys you got the short end of the stick - Brimz

...

You poor, confused Wizard. :P

Empaths currently are, in my opinion, one of the best hunting classes. With all the AS boosting spells they have, their AS is unstoppable, they have killer attack spells, and they can last the longest in battle because of their amazing ability to heal wounds. You can make a pure empath, a semi empath, a healing empath that picks locks... its nutty.

Go roll one up right now!

I was going to say "the best"... but I'm a sucker for implosion.

That will always be the best in my book ;)

~ Kitrina

>>And if you murder people because you choose not to take the simple option and move a whole one room away, you should be punished by both the players and GMs if it's a policy violation(I have no idea). Laziness or anger is no excuse to kill people.

Josh<<

If we shouldn't be using these resources then we shouldn't have them. This has been an argument of sorcerers forever that's about to see a lot more light. Mass attack/disabling spells are going to become a lot more common which means a lot more people are going to get hit with them. The GMs have no right to complain about a wizard swarming or a sorcerer open imploding if it's the only way to hunt effectively and safely. As for moving a room away I plan on it, after I drop the open void there's no reason to stand there.


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

And if you murder people because you choose not to take the simple option and move a whole one room away, you should be punished by both the players and GMs if it's a policy violation(I have no idea). Laziness or anger is no excuse to kill people.

Josh

If I remember correctly its a violation if you do it purposely and in town...

When your hunting anything goes long as no one is in the room at the time your casting the room spell. There is no violation...

When you hunting the critters there can use mass spells like fire elementals they have a major wave if you provoke them...

and some fire mages i seen hit up to 5 people with their ball spells...

Brimz

>>When your hunting anything goes long as no one is in the room at the time your casting the room spell. There is no violation... <<

No I've been yelled at for using open maelstrom and open implosion if there's a chance of someone walking in. I've had invasions dropped on my head (In pookas no ones really invading pookas, it wasn't coincidence the third time it happened) for casting open maelstrom. Technically I've been told sorcerers should never be casting open maelstrom or open implosion and wizards should never be casting meteor swarm. Strange but I think we're going to see a lot more of these spells.


Kithus Norrak Faendryl and his dragon

A kobold points at you and yells, "Mine! Chasin!"
blink
You blink.

<<There is not to many people to hunt OTF with at 2 in the morning. - Omens

That is definitely passed my bed time, but I'll hunt with you at a different time!

~ Kitrina

<< If we shouldn't be using these resources then we shouldn't have them. This has been an argument of sorcerers forever that's about to see a lot more light. Mass attack/disabling spells are going to become a lot more common which means a lot more people are going to get hit with them. The GMs have no right to complain about a wizard swarming or a sorcerer open imploding if it's the only way to hunt effectively and safely. As for moving a room away I plan on it, after I drop the open void there's no reason to stand there. >>

Except that it most certainly is not the only safe way for a pure to hunt. You can move one whole room away and kill the creature that walks in. There are usually multiple ways for the creatures to go and rarely do they all decide to walk the same direction, let alone at the same time. The only reasons for using these mass attack spells are A) laziness or B) Frustration at being required to move. Neither is a valid reason to start killing other people and I hope very much that if someone does this that they get murdered often by those they've killed.

Josh

>Why not try grouping up with someone to try and negate your DS penalties?
~~

Well, not everyone likes to group hunt. I do it at times, but I do not appreciate being forced into doing it.


>There is not to many people to hunt OTF with at 2 in the morning.

There have been TOO many people there as of late...creating horrible swarms.

Can we PLEASE have another 90+ hunting area?

Odysia
broken record


"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies, cannot stand."

<<I'm going to be gathering up questions for a pretty FAQ (yes, pretty), but not until after the system is released tonight.>>

Here's a question before it even comes out-- who does this pure-hating brainchild belong to?


--Fizzan's player

I think an excellent point was made earlier:

>Perhaps, for pures (clerics, empaths, wizards, sorcerers), a compromise could be presented where the penalties are halved for them -- to simulate the 'range' that we don't actually have in game but that is being used as a valid argument.

A spell caster should be able to disable thier target well before they get in range. It's the bonus of having magic that 'shoots' from the casters palm towards a target, or an invasion of the target's mind or by calling down a diety's power upon a target. None of this needs to be done within sword-swinging/claw raking/tongue lashing/foot stomping range.

A good way to do this would be to double? the amount of attacks needed for this penalty to take effect for pures. This would effectivly 'simulate', in the best possible GS4 way a ranged system. Sure, they will still get attacks in but they are not considered to be in range to affect the caster's ability to defend against multiple target.

---

Speaking in Elven, the ghostly voice of Eirawyn exclaims, "That's it, the wedding's off!"
You gaze in wonder at your surroundings.

<<That is definitely passed my bed time, but I'll hunt with you at a different time!

~ Kitrina>>

If I guess who you play, will you tell me I'm right?

--Fizzan's Player

>How many people would join in a one month shut down of all GS accounts if this change is implemented?

Come on, now. That took all of 80 minutes after the original announcement to rear its head. What ever happened to the slow build up of resentment and annoyance over three days until a brave soul started a website collecting names of players leaving and a summary of the financial loss to Simu. This just seems ... too quick ;)

If it turns out as disastrous as folks expect, it'll be changed. If it means that pures are still able to hunt and gain experience at like level, albeit with some changes of tactics, then it'll stay. And I suspect it's been tested.

I'm actually in the minority which is in favour of the idea with some reservations... or at least I will be unless and until it proves itself to have made hunting unbearable or impossible. Glad to see that at least one player (Rontuu) has actually decided to hold back until it can be seen how bad it makes hunting.

Whatever way you slice it, the existing mechanics allowed pures to stand relatively invulnerable in situations where a like levelled square simply had to run, or hide.

Having said that, the MOC costs are going to be high for semis and pures, I agree. They'll therefore need to use other elements of their training to deal with swarms, as Nilandia suggested. I don't know which spell is the right one, but if you think any class is going to become unviable, then common sense also suggests that changes will be made to prevent this.

I like the suggestion of diluting the system for pures and semis to take account of a notional "distance".

Invasions are going to be very different, I also agree. If and when all the towns go up in flames (as was suggested) while everyone hides in an inn, I again think you can safely assume that this will not be allowed to continue.

However, it's hard to believe that the designers of the system went through the whole process of creating this type of system (which progressively disadvantages PCs as increasing numbers of critters appear) without the word "invasion" ever rearing its head....

Potentially having to run from swarms does not result in the end of all possible enjoyment and playability. It does induce a sense of respect for increasing numbers of creatures trying to kill you. This is the type of realism that a game involving hunting should incorporate (and no, I don't think we should have to type "breathe" every three seconds for "realism").

Having to consider and react to the number of creatures facing you can actually add to the excitement of hunting. Think about it. Like-levelled critter #3 enters and you have to make a snap decision. As I don't play a pure I don't know how much an additional like levelled creature makes to your hunt but my understanding is that if you're not going to be killed by two of these monsters you probably won't be killed by three either.

A warrior or rogue in the same situation currently has to decide straight away between choices which involve varying degrees of risk ranging from running away (where possible) to spending a long time in offensive RT based on a gamble that you'll survive by killing or incapactitating enough of them to clear the room. I like gambling myself and it can be fun to win and lose based on the throw of a dice.

There are more choices to be made quickly and more reason to stay alert during fighting if it actually matters how many opponents are in the room. Standing there invulnerable and laughing at swarms is a different kind of hunting, and IMHO it's less interesting or exciting.

Dave
>bash trunk
You're going to punch a scratched gold trunk barehanded? Tsk. You MUST be a warrior.

Note to self: change that sig. It's a dead giveaway that I'm a vindictive warrior who wants all pures to die so I can get all the loot :(

I can't believe I'm not on that list! :P

aww sorry...

<writes your empath on the list :P>


Brimmie

<Theres like only 3 well 2 good respectable hunting empaths left...

Aeavenne (she was an awesome 2 hander empath with a corasine flail) but she is retired <sniff>

Gothique
Weewillow

Both of those I know are great hunters granted they both die more than me <ducks>>


Suprisingly, I usually only die when I hunt in a group, hardly ever on my own anymore... That should tell someone SOMETHING!



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Doesn't Nevets make that list, too?

He gets my nomination and my humble vote t'boot.

--Fizzan's Player

P.S. You play a witch with an 'S' at the beginning of her name.

>Why not try grouping up with someone to try and negate your DS penalties?

Because very often when a person hunts alone, the critters don't swarm, but when they bring a friend, so do the critters. So hunting with a partner, to me, is worse than chancing it alone.