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I took issue with someone saying 'they guess' when a GM explicitly stated that's not how it worked.
I'm that someone. GMs have explicitly stated things in that past and have been wrong about it.
Just because they state something doesn't mean they actually went digging in the code to verify it. They, like us, often read something enough times to accept it as fact and just restate that when opportunity arises. It's only when the lone person with their mountains of test data stands up to dispute it in those instances that actual verification takes place.
On a side note:
It's suspected that most GMs were once human, and being such are not infallible. Some even admit to it - but that's probably a trick you shouldn't fall for as GMs favorite pastime is toying with humans.
Dgry
GRYPES
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/02/2010 08:50 PM CDT
LAMOREED
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/02/2010 10:08 PM CDT
>Just because they state something doesn't mean they actually went digging in the code to verify it. They, like us, often read something enough times to accept it as fact and just restate that when opportunity arises. It's only when the lone person with their mountains of test data stands up to dispute it in those instances that actual verification takes place.
I get what you're saying - they're not infallible. I, too, remember in recent history a GM stated a mechanic worked a specific way then only looked into the code after much grumbling on the boards and finally rescinded their previous statement.
However, you're missing the point. In this instance you implied your stance still had merit (the 'guess' remark) coupled with the fact that your theory of 1005 being CS/TD based can be rejected in literally seconds
In summation, I'm not saying don't ever question GMs but rather in this instance, the experimental design to set up the conditions to reject your claim are so easy I can't see how you could possibly have 'mountains of data' on it to support your claim. Although, as Rhett pointed out, I've been wrong before; it certainly won't be the last time.
>1030, dagger ambushing, unwardable 700's CS's, paladin AS, (insert your personal favorite style of empath here), cant we all just get along?
lulz. I don't think it would be a tough sell to say I've been the biggest exploiter of 1030 in GS history; it needs a nerf. RSN!
Ex: 13% chance to ward with bard CS which is Elemental CS vs Players. All subsequent 1005 casts hit, although not with the best outcome. Interestingly, when I 1005'd a dark elf wizard I put him into a 'deep slumber' almost every time. Investigation pending.
-- dan/gnimble
I get what you're saying - they're not infallible. I, too, remember in recent history a GM stated a mechanic worked a specific way then only looked into the code after much grumbling on the boards and finally rescinded their previous statement.
However, you're missing the point. In this instance you implied your stance still had merit (the 'guess' remark) coupled with the fact that your theory of 1005 being CS/TD based can be rejected in literally seconds
In summation, I'm not saying don't ever question GMs but rather in this instance, the experimental design to set up the conditions to reject your claim are so easy I can't see how you could possibly have 'mountains of data' on it to support your claim. Although, as Rhett pointed out, I've been wrong before; it certainly won't be the last time.
>1030, dagger ambushing, unwardable 700's CS's, paladin AS, (insert your personal favorite style of empath here), cant we all just get along?
lulz. I don't think it would be a tough sell to say I've been the biggest exploiter of 1030 in GS history; it needs a nerf. RSN!
Ex: 13% chance to ward with bard CS which is Elemental CS vs Players. All subsequent 1005 casts hit, although not with the best outcome. Interestingly, when I 1005'd a dark elf wizard I put him into a 'deep slumber' almost every time. Investigation pending.
| You weave another verse into your harmony. |
| CS: +472 - TD: +420 + CvA: -8 + d100: +42 - +30 (dwarf bard/elem TD bonus) == +56 |
| Warded off! |
| Regyy is unaffected. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy looks dazed as his eyes flutter slightly. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy relaxes and sits down, entranced by the soothing melody. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy relaxes, entranced by the soothing melody. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy relaxes, entranced by the soothing melody. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
| >prep 1005 |
| > |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy relaxes, entranced by the soothing melody. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy slips into a deep slumber. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
| >prep 1005 |
| You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Lullabye to your song... |
| Your spellsong is ready. |
| >cast reg |
| You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at Regyy. |
| Regyy looks dazed as his eyes flutter slightly. |
| Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds. |
-- dan/gnimble
LAMOREED
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/02/2010 10:18 PM CDT
RE: 1005
As a preliminary, if I had to guess, I would say the INF stat of the bard and DIS stat of the target play a significant part.
-- dan/gnimble
As a preliminary, if I had to guess, I would say the INF stat of the bard and DIS stat of the target play a significant part.
-- dan/gnimble
ASPEN
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 08:32 AM CDT
>1005 and 1030 should be nerfed.
Fair enough, right from the horses mouth.
Virilneus
Fix Sorcerer Training Costs
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/05/14/sorcerer-training-costs/
Math Doesn't Lie.
Give Sorcerers Minor Mental
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/07/05/give-sorcerers-minor-mental/
Fair enough, right from the horses mouth.
Virilneus
Fix Sorcerer Training Costs
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/05/14/sorcerer-training-costs/
Math Doesn't Lie.
Give Sorcerers Minor Mental
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/07/05/give-sorcerers-minor-mental/
SILVERPHOENIX21
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 11:36 AM CDT
>Additionally, a fully stacked GWE is nearly impossible to ward with 522 Bardic CS and I can 1005 to sleep almost ever time. <Gnimble>
With, 101 spells, I can't even reliably strip spells off of them with SONG OF UNRAVELLING (-50 TD pushdown!!!), and I can still 1005 them to sleep about 90% of the time.
I think the real lesson here is that GWEs have a stupid amount of ETD.
With, 101 spells, I can't even reliably strip spells off of them with SONG OF UNRAVELLING (-50 TD pushdown!!!), and I can still 1005 them to sleep about 90% of the time.
I think the real lesson here is that GWEs have a stupid amount of ETD.
GS4-OSCURO
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 11:38 AM CDT
>>I think the real lesson here is that GWEs have a stupid amount of ETD.
They are post-cap elementals.
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Rogue Team
Cleric/Empath Team
They are post-cap elementals.
= - GM Oscuro - =
Rogue Team
Cleric/Empath Team
KRAKII
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 11:50 AM CDT
"With, 101 spells, I can't even reliably strip spells off of them with SONG OF UNRAVELLING (-50 TD pushdown!!!)" -- SilverPhoenix
My recollection was that the TD pushdown rounded, so you should be seeing (101/2 == 50.5 ==) -51TD pushdown. Am I mis-remembering?
My recollection was that the TD pushdown rounded, so you should be seeing (101/2 == 50.5 ==) -51TD pushdown. Am I mis-remembering?
SILVERPHOENIX21
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 12:00 PM CDT
>My recollection was that the TD pushdown rounded, so you should be seeing (101/2 == 50.5 ==) -51TD pushdown. Am I mis-remembering? <Krakii>
I was guesstimating =P
>They are post-cap elementals. <Oscuro>
I know, and I just don't expect to ever hunt them. Which makes this slightly annoying:
=P
I was guesstimating =P
>They are post-cap elementals. <Oscuro>
I know, and I just don't expect to ever hunt them. Which makes this slightly annoying:
| You have been tasked to suppress greater water elemental activity in the Ruined Temple near Kharam-Dzu. You need to kill 15 of them to complete your task. |
=P
DOUG
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/03/2010 08:18 PM CDT
Ask Dionket to join you sometime, we'll knock 'em out together.
Doug
Doug
KARDIOS
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 07:25 AM CDT
Are you sure the amber wands and crystalline prisms have been released? I've yet to see either.
GS4-OSCURO
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 10:08 AM CDT
>>Are you sure the amber wands and crystalline prisms have been released? I've yet to see either.
Yes. They're just not super common. I've found amber wands myself, but no prism yet.
= - GM Oscuro - =
Rogue Team
Cleric/Empath Team
Yes. They're just not super common. I've found amber wands myself, but no prism yet.
= - GM Oscuro - =
Rogue Team
Cleric/Empath Team
SILVERPHOENIX21
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 12:19 PM CDT
>I've found amber wands myself, but no prism yet. <Oscuro>
Ditto. Found one yesterday (wand, still no prism).
Ditto. Found one yesterday (wand, still no prism).
DELAROCK
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 01:31 PM CDT
I found a prism.
-Del
-Del
DOUG
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 06:40 PM CDT
Dionket points to the smooth stone.
Dionket says, "All I got was this rock."
Doug
Dionket says, "All I got was this rock."
Doug
ASPEN
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
05/06/2010 07:25 PM CDT
In soviet russia, wand finds you.
Virilneus
Fix Sorcerer Training Costs
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/05/14/sorcerer-training-costs/
Math Doesn't Lie.
Give Sorcerers Minor Mental
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/07/05/give-sorcerers-minor-mental/
Virilneus
Fix Sorcerer Training Costs
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/05/14/sorcerer-training-costs/
Math Doesn't Lie.
Give Sorcerers Minor Mental
http://www.virilneus.com/blog/2009/07/05/give-sorcerers-minor-mental/
PEREGRINEFALCON
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
08/08/2010 01:09 PM CDT
Two new Arcane Circle spells have been released into the treasure system to be found in magic items and scrolls.
Awesome. Thanks for both of these.
-- Faulkil
Awesome. Thanks for both of these.
-- Faulkil
GREDGEWIZ
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
08/08/2010 03:20 PM CDT
and I just found a scroll with 1708 on it
-Fremie-
Moonshine Manor Officer
Events Team Leader
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PEREGRINEFALCON
Re: New Arcane Spells: Mystic Impedance (1708) and Arcane Barrier (1720)
08/08/2010 04:02 PM CDT
>examine my tome
The cover of the tome has an embossed yellow, slit-pupiled eye on a field of grey upon it. The tome is currently closed.
>rub my tome
You gently run your thumb across the edges of the pages of the yellowed tome, listening to the soft rustling of the aged parchment.
-- Faulkil
The cover of the tome has an embossed yellow, slit-pupiled eye on a field of grey upon it. The tome is currently closed.
>rub my tome
You gently run your thumb across the edges of the pages of the yellowed tome, listening to the soft rustling of the aged parchment.
-- Faulkil
