>>I've renamed the page on the wiki 1) to be more accurate and 2) because Karavan annoyed the hell out of me :p

I only put Kaldar Karavan because someone posted it here and so I thought that was the actual name of the merchant :(


~Thilan

There is a circle limit on getting into the Kaldar/Gnome caravan. I believe it's 5th circle...but I could be wrong. Also, high level (over 75th circle) traders can get in.

Mellicent

Maulem, I'm just glad you were able to get the sheath. If anyone else wants it, let me know otherwise it is likely to be vaulted.

I really dislike selling things, and have never been able to get a trader to sponsor my vaults for me. I have a standing offer of 50% of the proceeds to anyone who wants to do it.

Also, I enjoyed the RP with you Hanryu. Know that I plan to work on you and follow through with my promises. I just want you to know that while my character was definately irritated with you, I enjoyed it.

> However as much as I love all the Gorbesh advancement in terms of pantheon/items I believe that the Kaldar themselves need quite a bit of fleshing out in terms of culture/symbols/the last 400 years of Kaldar historu, seeing as most of what we call Kaldar culture is taken directly from the Gorbesh. Hopefully over the next few meetings we can hammer some specifics as to things like that, the Kaldar are lagging far behind the Gorbesh at this point in terms of in-game lore and I'd love to see a little more balance.

I couldn't agree more. I'm glad we're getting more Gorbesh stuff, but man I wish I had more to work with when developing the Ves'Shomis line and in particular Hanryu's objections to Gorbesh culture/ideology and the psuedo worship thereof.

~Hunter Hanryu
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"

It seems to be best described as a sort of cloak. I can't get in game right now, for the actual description. They seem to range from extravagant, with gems and adornments, to fairly simple garments. Most seem to have pullable hoods.

The wiki has descriptions for each of the sochi cloaks from the merchant. They all follow the same general design.

http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Albarian_Imports


= Father Aristron Karanea =

I think you misunderstood what I meant by my statement. When I say "pseudo-worship" I'm referring to all the Gorbesh this Gorbesh that. A great many seems to be obsessed with being Gorbesh or flaunting their Gorbesh heritage or worshiping non-13 gods, etc. While this is a fine RP stance to take, I am bothered by the number of characters that run around wishing to emulate/associate with a group of genocidal maniacs that walked all over the 5 (3? at the time) provinces. Maybe it's just because there's so little Kaldaran culture and items out there and so much more Gorbesh stuff.

This of course does not just apply to PC kaldar wanting to be gorbesh, as is evidenced by the PC outcasts.

~Hunter Hanryu
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"

Yeah I guess I did get the wrong idea about your post before Hanryu, thanks for clearing it up. I'm definately in agreement that the Kaldar do need more independent development outside of base Gorbesh culture. While I'm all for total Albarian co-operation between Kaldar/Gorbesh/Gnome, and Jere still holds the stance that the Kaldar and Gorbesh should still be close in Kermoria, I wish there were a few more that would take an anti Gorbesh stance such as you have, can make for some very decent RP, especially since animosity like that could really build over time with no release because of Seivox's decree.

Jerecis S'Onser'ei, Fist of the Empire

Hey not sure if it's intentional or not, so didn't want to start posting in bugs, but I picked up one of the Sraxaec haversacks from the caravan for an alt of mine and it seems to be quite on the small side. Holding nothing other than 4 goblin boxes I can't fit anything else in there, other than a few random gems and arrows. If they're meant to be small that's fine, I can always grab another catapault basket from my vault, I just wanted to see if they're supposed to be standard haversack size. I'll test oout some more of the packs in a bit, this one just jumped out at me.

Jerecis S'Onser'ei, Fist of the Empire

Thanks Hanryu, My main character is the same way, which was why I was asking about the emblems on a lot of the stuff there, because of his history and back story, the Gorbesh empire is not high on his lists.

Wel, swince we are going off topic I figured I would add my own two coppers in. I play ehon more as a second generation (while I am third Generation, my parents both were second gens, which going from there experiences, I am able to work a few things out) The situation with Ehon is he was not raised with any sort of 'history' his Father Was Kaldar, and his Mother Elven. He has struggled to find tidbits of history, but he does not wish to just tie someone down and make them teach him their history. In a way he is making his own history, he is adapting Albarian customs and and the Pantheon to his life here in Kremoria, and his culture is becoming a mix of them both. In all honesty he doesnt know any better, and while he is trying to learn what he can, he knows only half of what he should know, and the other half he just doesnt know much about what he is talking about. He does feel deeply that the Kermorian gods are shadows and are not real, since he has actively saught out Meraud and he has not shown his existance, and has since turn his back on them, if only to gain favors so he will not walk. But in the end he does not hate the gorbesh, nor does he like them, they are just Gorbesh to him, just like if they were halfling or elven. At this point, while he does wish to learn about the Gorbesh and the Kaldar, he is making his own Culture with this wife and with what ever children he may have, he can only continue on as best he can.

Well as far as Jere's RP I've always played him as born and raised Gorbesh, he never made a decision to emulate one culture or another, it's simply what he is. I myself made the decision for a couple reasons; one because there was very little Kaldar background or lore, it was more feasable to build a story of a character around him being Gorbesh, and two, I enjoyed the early conflicts of those that held grudges against me simply for that fact, even though he's generally a very genial Gorbesh, and once or twice succesfully convinced people that we really weren't all that bad. I still get a few people that want to kill him once he mentions he's Gorbesh, but they're few and far between and besides, if I wasn't willing to take my lumps because of an RP choice then I probably shouldn't have made it in the first place.

The Kaldar seperated from the Empire (partially at least, they still consider themselves part of the Empire) becuase of differences in lifestyle, not because of any wars the Empire had fought. The Luethra? Yes the Gorbesh did pretty much wipe them off the face of Elanthia, but quite a few IG races would have done that to others in the past had they been able. The Shaerek however are not something that the Gorbesh can claim to have exterminated, they simply disappeared during the Gorbesh's efforts to invade their mountain. And keep in mind we're talking thousands of years since the Luethran wars, back when all Kaldar were Gorbesh, so quite frankly, the only genocide that ever took place with the Gorbesh the Kaldar were full partners. That said, I understand Hanryu's IC stance and I completely support it, non-conflict RP is only so fun for so long. But as far as history, we don't make genocide a habit.

Jerecis S'Onser'ei, Fist of the Empire

FYI, Lady Unorina moved her caravans to Lang, a bit northish from Waldroth's Landing. Hooray!


~Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

Not that I've seen, Melli, but I haven't stopped in there since right after she set up in Lang.


~Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

Ehon,
I've had a couple thoughts recently that may interest you. IM me at sgordonccd


~Mammoth Rider Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

I'll roleplay with you, Ehon. ;-)

My schedule has been very touch and go though lately.

--Vyraka--

He who was before me, hears me!
And He before him, looks down on me with pride!
And lo, all of my Forebears, back to the Beginning
will sing my praises this day!
For I, am Kaldaran! My victory, my glory will NOT be denied me!
To war!
To ruin!
To heroes' graves!

(ok yeah, so I like the movie 13th Warrior, and had watched it for the umpteenth time before writing that.)


~Mammoth Rider Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training

I won't be able to attend, or will be very late. I won't be home until at least 7:30, frequently later. Gotta put the kids to bed too. 9 PM was great while it lasted.

I'll move over to that area, maybe I can catch the tail end of the meeting.

Marvok

hopefully there will be lots of mischief and mayhem, could sure use a good time since I am all but useless against this undead horde :sigh:

on another note, we could have like a 40 year old orphan cry and whine, I think that would be amusing.

Usually she opens the portals for these. That may or may not be an option this time since, when she first told us of this "scavenger hunt" it was to take place in the shard gorbesh fort, and we were gonna need to find our own means of transportation.


~Mammoth Rider Maulem Akavame, Death Dealer in training