Why dons't our soul cleanse when we give the beggar at the Crossing some coins? I think it sould do something. Also anyway you great GM's could code in some way of interacting with alot of the other NPC's so doing certain things and preforming certain duties for them will cleanse our soul in varrying degtrees? Part of the fun could be discovering what the different ways are.

Brittany (...the player of Aspasia Darkbrook)


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Sir Cleworth, paladin initiation speech.

"The truth will set you free...but first it pisses you off."

Anonymous

<<Well....If life were that simple...but he'll just buy booze with it. No..actually thats kinda crude..but you obviously dont know his connections.>>

Damn and I gave him my last 13 coppers! Quick throw him in the stocks!! Teach him a lesson for being poor and blind!!


"If ever the Darkness should conquer the Light, the last gleam shall come from the uplifted blade of one of a righteous Paladin."

Sir Cleworth, paladin initiation speech.

"The truth will set you free...but first it pisses you off."

Anonymous

how about we have a way to "buy" soul
in medeval days landowners bout eternal salvation by making gifts to the church... made a guy named martin luther get really peeved and try to fix a door.. or something like that <heh>
1 plat equals one full level of soul with a duration to it..
100 plat gets you a year of untouchable soul (mass killings?) think of the RP.. buy yer way to favor by eviscertating yer enemies....


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It wont heal if you dont stop picking at it.

I always thought there should be a way to help out that poor river elf up in Langenfirth. Go hunt with him so he can make some money or donate some new equipment to him or something.

-Advocate Alaxndr
Noble Paladin of Elanthia
"A knight is sworn to valor. His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. His words speak only truth. His wrath undoes the wicked."

Soulstones are a drop from tortured souls on the second floor of the dunshade manor you need blessed weapon and a bit of skill to kill them. It has been years since I fought them so don't recall exactly how much skill. a soulstone is sort of a luxury you can get the same information walking through the soulstone arch in the crossing or Shard guild hall just watch what you do and you should be able to keep a good pristine white soul. I have a stone I could give you and get another for myself easier then you could fight and get one.

Granyt Fyrforg

Anybody selling an extra one?


Wait we can't stop here! This is bat country!

I'm planning on heading to shard anyway for the missions so I'll keep an eye out for you if you are still willing to offer the soulstone.


Wait we can't stop here! This is bat country!

Well, I have 8 spare ones, and I'm in M'riss.

If ya want to come get one, it would take ya less time to make the round trip then hunting for one yourself. Also if you are below 30th, don't bother about the missions.


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You were just really really high pristine.

The ambush hit is really small. First strike is the biggest we got (save stealing) and killing is somewhere in the low middle.

I stay pristine after first strike/killing sometimes with only 30 charisma and circle 58

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Is there any way to get soul power to refill quickly? or is it just a time factor? I just tried the GOL quest and failed because I didn't have enough soul power and would Like to try again fairly soon. If not are there any paladins who would be willing to be willing to go to Ratha with me to help me carry that torch back? when I finally get all of my soul power that is.

Protector Verdann Taaranich


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This post would've created too much of a tangent from the comments thread so I figured I'd start a new one. Yes, I know this isn't even the same folder, but it fit much better under this one.

<<We also don't get soul hits for hunting in Throne City, where we can even walk people.

We need to just realize that most soul hits are a way to limit Paladins from acting out in PvP. That's all it is.>>

Not exactly, although that's part of it. Soul hits and restrictions on certain actions (stealing, hiding in combat) are ways to try to enforce this idea of "doing good". Members of the Paladin guild are supposed to be morally righteous individuals. How do you create a guild of people who are morally pure out of a player base who is very obviously not? Well, you give them rules so that they get punished for doing bad. You reward them for doing "good" and then even if they do good for the reward, they've still done good, so it's win/win right?

Wrong. First off, the rules are too rigid and do not encompass all good things. They are incoherent and inconsistent. In Pureblade's above example, clearly we should be getting soul hits from these things, but we're not. Why not? I dunno, perhaps making all these rules consistent is WAY too much work. If it cannot reasonably be made consistent, then I would say they should be done away with.

Secondly, the actions we're rewarded for do not do anyone much good. How about all those tithe's go towards some sort of fund for new players? How about Paladins get some sort of ability that makes people WANT to let them tend their bleeders. As tending bleeders currently stands, more often than not the bleeding person is doing US a favor, not us doing them a favor, which kind of negates the whole feeling good about doing good thing.

The soul system is in desparate need of looking at. As it stands now it has nothing to do with a Paladins willingness to do good or their devotions to their gods. My characters measure as a person should at least be somewhat correlated to the state of his soul. Right now it's, oh, I've got to do this this and this to get the most out of my abilities? Ok, done....now I can use my abilities to actually help someone, unlike the actions I took to get myself pure in the first place.

Dandon

"If they ever come up with a swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, Then Jumping Off Something" ~ Jack Handy

Excellent post Dandun.

I'd have to agree with Tev too in that the soul system would have to be rewritten and it would completely change what it is today if it could be done at all which I'm not sure of. I think its going to take some creative thinking to come up with a way for soul to work in a way that truly shows how "virtuous" a Paladin is.


Lord Krymson Dyne Ebonrune
Dark Paladin of Urrem'tier

Yes, I did notice it, but it fails to be any different than tending bleeders.

It has the potential to be used to do good, but I think I can make a fair prediction that protection will be used regardless of whether someone is in danger or not to gain soul.

A Paladin and his buddy can just go hunting, and as the timer on the soul-gainingness (made it up) permits, the paladin will protect his buddy.

Also, it should be pointed out that merely adding more ways to gain soul does not eradicate the inconsistencies mentioned in my original post.

You could allow protect to only give soul when someone is say, badly wounded or worse, and that might help, but again, there are problems with soul that have nothing to do with the number of ways to gain it.

Dandon

"If they ever come up with a swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, Then Jumping Off Something" ~ Jack Handy

And just as a sidenote, after going back and re-reading your post:

Paladins already have too many bars against being effective with their usage of skills due to the timer and penalties outweighing the recovery process of soulstate.

If the ability to regain soul is pigeon-holed for only truly helping others, most of us will never have an even decent soulstate. If you take the time to think about what would be required for a Paladin to actively gain soul by helping others, you would see that it would not be feasible in a game where so many Paladins are present. It would require someone to actively watch over the shoulder of every Paladin in order to award soul gain per good deed.

Sure, over the years we've had many ideas about how to award soulgain. All of them could be just as easily abusable as now.

Another thing, I don't want to do goody works in order to juggle better or get more mana, since those are the only two reasons I use soul for. As has been preset by prayer badges, one's soulgain is directly related to doing the god's will, and if tending someone is what the gods want, then so be it.

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I think I've got a solution to the soul problem. Get rid of it. It's now a meaningless exercize used to get the most of our abilities. Since Elanthia obviously can't watch over every Paladin, why should it pretend it can with this soul system that doesn't do the job at all.

This does not eradicate us as the guild that strives to do good deeds. We still have the code to guide our actions.
How about we assume that as a Paladin (you joined the guild so you obviously have to had agree to follow its rules) you have a clean soul, and that as long as you follow the code you maintain said clean soul. When you break the code, you have to go repent by praying or some such, and then after that, you're all clean again. That seems to be enough to maintain this idea of a guild striving for moral excellence. The soul system is just redundant.

It's silly that we're the only guild that has to pay 5 silvers per elanthian day to get the most of our abilities, money that doesn't go anywhere to boot.

Dandon

"If they ever come up with a swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, Then Jumping Off Something" ~ Jack Handy

<<A glyph - The problem with this, is that with the exception of Mana and Light, these are all designed with others in mind.>>

Some glyphs, since we're using them for good, should give soul.

Glyhing the deader seems like the perfect scenario for using our abilities to help others. Let it drain the soul pool, but at the same time, slightly increase the size of the pool.

You make a good point though, and our main abilities do rely on soulstate. Getting rid of it would more than likely create more problems than it solves, however I still say that the soul system needs more work than just more ways to gain soul (though it needs that too).

I don't really know right now what exactly it needs, though I am working on it. Believe me if I figure something out I'll be posting it, but I do know that there's currently things wrong with it that deserve fixing.

Dandon

"What makes a complete stranger jump into an icy river to save a solid gold baby? Perhaps we'll never know." ~Jack Handy

And tithing stinks to get soul..... I had better luck with the book of Chadatru or a pilgrims badge going from freezing cold black back to pristine in 42 hours of nothing but soul training after I blocked for the maze. Granted 42 hours of work turned out to be a 6 day period... but details details.

I couldn't enter tower in shard so couldn't tell you how that faired, and I didn't wanna travel to kresh. But tithing and tending are on the lowest rungs of soul giving and yet those should be the highest since you are helping another or spending coin.


Ellsdragon Dride

yes you get a soul hit for applying, and a soul hit for use.

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there is partial defense. Its called stamina, so cast courage and run to a hospital. If not well poison has to hit you for it to work. If it misses then theres no damage.

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<<Unfortunately poison only has to graze you too work. Even if it causes no external damage (i.e. doesn't break the skin) it can kill you in a matter of minutes.

yeah and if splashes you, you can get poisoned and pretty badly. I dont see it as unrealistic. I think what we need are antidotes.

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