I have to say, as someone who mains an MU, I was surprised at how across the board those buffs were. Increases in TM/debil, decreases in slot costs, new spells, testing new TM templates, increases in mana regen... Woof. It's a good time to be an MU to be sure.

Is now a good time to say "I told you so."? Seems I brought this up several months ago and all I heard was, "it won't affect barbarians negatively."

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>No, the changes actually effect us positively. Should check out the changelogs. Everything being buffed as IN SoI now gives us +20% with panther, contemplation (still boosts aug, right?) and bear. Just does the same and much more for everyone else.

I'd second check that and verify that any changes apply to NMUs. I'd give it 50/50 that they don't.

SoI is being done away with. Every buff is now 20%. Barbs should also gain slots since Debils cost less now, too. Kodius just needs to come back to Barb dev for that to happen. Barbs benefit from these changes as much as MUs do. The problem is that only Kodius works on the guild so you have to wait on him to catch up to the changes that happen to the Magic system as a whole.

To make it explicit how the SOI system being eliminated specifically affects barbarians...

Currently your buffs to Brigandine, Plate Armor, Perception, Locksmithing, Warding, Charisma, and Agility only get a 15% boost. After magic 3.2 goes live they will be a 20% boost. You would also get this increase on abilities that buff First Aid, Arcana, Discipline, Intelligence, and Wisdom if you had them, but you don't currently.

This makes Contemplation, Cyclone, Bear Form, Focus, Wildfire, and Owl Form more powerful as a direct result of these changes with no downside at all.

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>>unbridled cynicism

Nope that's it. But, I mean, we are Barbarians. You kind of have to start expecting the short straw at some point.

> Also, double post- barbarians and thieves have zero to do with attunement. Completely separate system, and I would bet the farm against this improving inner fire regen rate.

I have never played a barbarian to a respectable circle, but I understand what you're saying from my limited forays into the class. I adamantly am opposed to this design decision, and I think barbarians should be able to use more simultaneous abilities earlier.

Kodius stated at one point that he was going to find a way to punish Barbarians with any magic knowledge. Now it seems that if you have ANY Arcana ranks at all and you are in the same room with anyone prepping a spell, you now passively learn Arcana. Is this the punishment he was talking about?

It seems to me that, since we no longer have the choice about learning magic, if you don't want to risk the wrath of the guild leaders by gaining ranks you are effectively cut off from anything and anyone except hunting alone in some far removed place where no one ever goes. That is fine with me, but really not fair to those who are super social and like being in town.

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<<Kodius stated at one point that he was going to find a way to punish Barbarians with any magic knowledge.

The punishment was going to be something along the lines of things like Agonar saying that he was disappointed in you when circling. I.e. not much of one.

I can see whether this new mechanic needs changing going either way, really. It's a valid RP choice to not use Arcana as a Barbarian, and it's also (going to be) a valid mechanical choice to train it. Neither really has consequences, although it kind of sucks that the people who choose the former are ending up with a few ranks because of the new mech so turning it off for barbarians would be a nod to that. That said, because there's no real consequences the other option is to just leave the trickle of ranks in and shelve whatever future non-consequential mechanics there were going to be.

It kind of makes sense anyway, even for a Barbarian to know, since all the recognition is lore-wise is just recognizing whatever motions or words it is that the caster is doing and recognizing it as something. I.e. "Hey that person is waggling their fingers and saying words the same way this other person did when casting a Fireball spell at me the other day. This person must be doing the same thing!"

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If all it is going to be is guild leaders ringing bells in my face and yelling "Shame!" I don't care about actively or passively learning Arcana. I just don't want to be any further down the rabbit hole of destruction than I already am. That being said, it would be nice if barbarians had a choice in the matter.

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So can we get away to dump the ranks we have then? So we dont learn by default?

Just insult to injury. Barbs can't even use all their abilities and are the most gimpy damage dealers compared to MUs... then they buff MU's. Guess that makes sense... if we were all living in the twilight zone.

Nah, remember Lanival was a Warmage. Magic 3.2 - WM will now have X-treme Talisman and can now summon dragons!

This thread makes me sad.

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> WMs could send barbarians on errands. They could have them hold their gear. They could even command them to perform a >trick when two or more are in a room. The barbarian familiars would sit in a circle and complain about how they can't >kill their masters.

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<<We had a hard enough time countering magic with 3.1 no matter what Kodius said about Swam + Serenity.

Nothing about Magic 3.2 makes it harder for you to counter other player's magic than before. The main change that happened to TM/Debil spells generally was a reduction in attunement cost for the non-AoE ones. There were minor difficulty adjustments here or there, but nothing that's going to make a player be able to cast much stronger debil/tm spells than they did before. What it might accomplish is them being able to cast a few more debil/tm spells at you before running low on mana, but that's a resource management issue rather than a countering issue.

There are a few new TM/Debil templates that could potentially hit harder, but these have a long cooldown or have reduced base damage to balance it out. And they're not anything that different from the old DFA spells which haven't been a boat rocker, so these new forms shouldn't be either.

As for PvE critter spells being more difficult... I believe that's because creatures cast with a set amount of mana rather than a relative amount, so when the mana ranges of debil and tm spells were lowered their relative power of the cast went up. In some cases, this could result in quite a difference in output. That said, critter magic was pretty darn toothless, so this isn't necessarily a bad thing although it would certainly benefit from being looked at if certain creatures are now unhuntable. And this isn't a Barbarian only thing really, since they have ways to deal with it. Some guilds don't have that at all.

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I'm not as gloom and doom as Valacar, but I will honestly say it's very dispiriting watching magic get the resource development it has in the past multiple years. New spells, constant tweaks, new features and entire systems.

NMU magic basically chugs along as functional, but doesn't get any polish or tweaking. It's bound to create jealousy.

>>NMU magic basically chugs along as functional, but doesn't get any polish or tweaking. It's bound to create jealousy.

It's not even that we need polishing or tweaking, the guild redesigned was never even fully released. Masteries and abilities still nonfunctional. Proposed damage generation (which was going to be earthquake, as even in the development of 3.0 is was recognized that alternative damage production was desperately needed) is no closer to a reality than it was 3 years ago. The guild has a solid defenive buff suite, but in the end of the day, really has nothing special. Between all the other guild based antimagic out there, the wards a well trained barbarian could produce weren't even the most effective magic prevention in town. (clerics with Hulp, Spite, Idon's Theft, SL, Lay Ward, GhS)

>Masteries and abilities still nonfunctional

Other than warstomp, what do you mean?