Low end and High End income is absurdly lopsided. New EXP has really mitigated this factor by putting 30th circle easily within reach of 5 or so weeks. At that point, making a plat isn't so hard. a few blood wolf bundles tops gets you there. In about a year, you can hit 100+ and depending on what you hunt clear hundreds of plats a day, 1000s a week.

Essentially everybody will eventually have access to absurd amounts of plats. It only takes a year or two with current loot tables and new EXP. The upside is, at the end of the day personal valuation over actual wealth will more often determine the winner of an auction. If everybody has 30--50kp, they're only going to spend that kind of coin if they think something is worth it.

>doing work orders every so often<


for my empath, that's her primary source of income.


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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

A couple plat an hour is fine by me.

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no.


whereas your character may have accumlated that much by hunting on the high end, not every character is at that level.

While I train a number of characters, none of them standing alone is rich by any means.

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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>Coin generation in the game is broken and needs to be nerfed.

Coin generation isn't the issue. It's more that when you're notably high level you've essentially stopped needing to buy things at same time when you start making notably high amounts of money.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

>>You don't even need to be notably high. Once you've gotten all forged gear, you don't really need to do anything more for gear outside of the occasional repair. Other than that, all that's left is fluff.

True. I mean, even if I wasn't in CommieRealms (Plat), I think I'd be pretty much done when it comes to what my character really needs.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

>>Beveragek: Coin generation in the game is broken and needs to be nerfed.

You can nerf coin generation, but all that will accomplish is making it harder for characters who haven't yet "made it" to catch up to those who have.

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>>You can nerf coin generation, but all that will accomplish is making it harder for characters who haven't yet "made it" to catch up to those who have.

How so? I'm not sure how this is true if you're nerfing everyone across the board. We'd simply be redrawing the line for success, which is sorely needed IMO.

>>I think the game would be better served if we addressed this from the other end: add more useful things to spend your plats on in different price ranges (5-10 plat, 50-100 plat, 200-500 plat, etc.)

What exactly would you suggest? We have two festivals a year and tens of thousands of plats are spent and that's really only drops in the bucket. Once you have a weapon and armor you're pretty much set for life besides trivial repair costs.

Also, inflation is so rampant at the upper levels of combat that the game would benefit from a couple more magnitudes of currency (1 plat = 10 diamonds, 10 diamonds = 1 unobtanium or whatever) to let some of the upper prices make more sense, especially at auctions.

People are just making too much money, period (in my opinion). Like high-level combat, the currency system was designed in mind with a game that capped around a couple hundred ranks, when a plat was a lot of money. Like I said though, redrawing the line for success isn't really hurting you if you're making half as much money but repair costs, forged good costs, etc. are refigured to account for this lower income generation.

>>How so? I'm not sure how this is true if you're nerfing everyone across the board. We'd simply be redrawing the line for success, which is sorely needed IMO.

While future coin generation is across the board, that will only add to the higher disparity between those who already have bazillions of Plats versus those who don't, because while the former group will be bottlenecked from getting bazillions more, the latter will never be able to reach that level at all (theoretically).

That doesn't mean we shouldn't take the plunge, anyway, but it's worth recognizing the issue that will form.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

How about letting players spend their coins on things similar to the LTB benefits. Like free access to healers for a month, or special one way portals to any place in Elanthia. Basically, services and not items. Maybe the prices of these services can scale or automatically adjust depending on usage or popularity? I dunno, just some ideas.

They're already scaling back the biggest no-no zone in the game(Skills). Scaling back high level plat production would do wonders for the game. You'll never get rid of people who farm plats.

And I don't think Simu should ever meddle in these affairs, anyways - if they aren't AFK, they aren't breaking any rules.

Instead of scaling back all at once though, do it in steps. That way, the economy can adjust properly. Do it over a period of like, a year. Scale EVERYTHING hunting-related back, above the 50% mark(Skinning, boxes, gems). Equally, by a percentage. That'd be the easiest way to implement such a wide-scale change.

FWIW

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"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

@Madigan what it takes for you to make one plat, and another to make the same 1 plat could be an hour vs one mob...so extrapolate that out...say you get 30 mobs in an hour, said other person would need 30 hours...

I suppose a way to do things is figure out a system when all mobs pay the same....give folks at 30 at least a chance to keep up with the 150th's...just genereric gem/coin spawn....course I realize this likely wouldn't work cause why woul a goblin have the same wealth as a sky giant....just a theory

>>Neeld: I had a series of posts titled "On - XXXX", one of which revolved around the economy. The idea presented was simply a "prestige tax" based on circle and wealth with a corresponding reduction (step or otherwise) in wealth generation IG.

I'm not a fan of taxes. If inflation is a problem, I'd rather see plat sinks in the form of services that people actually want to use, rather than simply taxing everyone. A "success tax" is probably not a good way to retain players anyway, especially at the end game when many players feel banished to the islands with little to do.

There are lots of ways to implement plat sinks that people would want to use. We've already seen how people are willing to dump insane amounts of money into games of chance, for example, and many people would pay a lot for access to better transportation.

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1. <<Once you have a weapon and armor you're pretty much set for life besides trivial repair costs.>>

not necessarily. One reason I bid on, and purchased the "armor-fixer thing" in the latest fest auction is because of the repair cost i have with my barbarian character. She has a roar helm. Every time i get that thing repaired it costs quite a bit. So.... this is a way to deal with it.

Also, to many players there are different degrees of what they consider "necessities". One mans "need" is another mans "fluff", and all that. For me, I like to decorate and furnish all my characters houses. So... that may be fluff, but to me, that's part of the enjoyment I get out of my extended "family'.


2. Other issue "been playing since 96- coin was harder to make" --
I beg to disagree. I also started playing in 96. It used to be that if you went to Swamp trolls in riverhaven, they dropped Golds. These days you have to get up to about raider/germishdin level to see a gold coin in a box, unless you're lucky enough to get one of those "super" boxes. As someone who has characters though the spectrum - both high end boxes and low - I can assure you - the coinage was definately higher "back then".

3. Plat sinks. Bring back boat sales. To avoid them being a drain on resources, or an eyesore, when they aren't in use, have them like trader POCs. Instead of a stable, you have a marina. So the boat essentially "disappears" when you aren't on-line, or you don't have it out. You have to "ask Dockworker for boat" like you get a caravan. The "customization", much like the caravan again. What you have though is the "name" of the boat, instead of a "bumpersticker" on the caravan. And storage on your boat is handled much the same way as storage of commodities or items in your storage box on the caravan when you stable it. The exception would be "house-boats" in which some players have purchased, those particular ones would be stored similar to how houses are, and would not be able to be "stabled" in the marina.



The only thing different is gem pouches, so it "seems" higher when you actually get 'em all sold. And plus traders with the talent to get you those extra coinage is a benefit as well.







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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>3. Plat sinks. Bring back boat sales. To avoid them being a drain on resources, or an eyesore, when they aren't in use, have them like trader POCs. Instead of a stable, you have a marina. So the boat essentially "disappears" when you aren't on-line, or you don't have it out. You have to "ask Dockworker for boat" like you get a caravan. The "customization", much like the caravan again. What you have though is the "name" of the boat, instead of a "bumpersticker" on the caravan. And storage on your boat is handled much the same way as storage of commodities or items in your storage box on the caravan when you stable it. The exception would be "house-boats" in which some players have purchased, those particular ones would be stored similar to how houses are, and would not be able to be "stabled" in the marina.

The mechanics are vastly different.

In order to make Boats work like POCs you'd need to entirely rewrite the system from the ground up. Which is the same thing it's needed since we first started limiting boat sales.

Right now the amount of resources used by a single ship is on par with most cities in the game. That's an issue.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>the amount of resources used by a single ship is on par with most cities in the game.

Heh. Now all boats I see are going to conjure up images of that supertanker that Dennis Hopper captains in Waterworld.

And I will be amused for ages.

>So people can make lots of money if they hunt a lot. My characters don't but why should I care? ALDEN

This pretty much sums up my feelings on this subjuct. Some people like to watch their skill numbers go up. Some people like to RP with people. Some people like to watch their bank account go up.

Shrug...To each their own.

Dierik

To be fair, I've always privately characterized Burn as an orbital death laser. Armifer

I shouldnt be complaining but since returning to DR and starting new, I have already come across 4 or 5 "super" boxes. One had 5 plat and none of these boxes higher than wood trolls. I
Never saw this from 96-02 or in any of the random years i played between then and now.
Point is, its way easier to make money now and im afraid it has something to do with inflation. I suppose i will find out as i level.

ya, pick-thru made it much easier. :-). people like me and addlestone used to stand around and just pick, pick/drag, pick/drag, pick/drag , pick/drag.

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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

A little late to the party here. I always find the economy talk humorous. If you tweak down what drops from critters, you'll still have people who hunt a heck of a lot more making a heck of a lot more in comparison to those who hunt less. Even then, the people who hunt less will cry at the "injustice." And critter ladder progression should never generate the same coin across the board. That's a terrible idea that I've never seen employed in any game I have ever played. I'll never quite get what drives peoples' minds to feel cheated and a sense of heavy unfairness in a game. If you want more coin so badly, progress. If you want more ranks so badly, progress. It's on you. The opportunities are open to all of us. If you don't want to work for it at all, dish out your ten bucks for your 1000 plat kronar or go and buy your HLC. Both of those are highly deflated markets. Hey, if it makes you feel better, the inflated market (for fake money) has heavily deflated the market where people are profiting at lowered margins.



Squanto: think they'll make it so we can swim to the islands?
Codiax: probably not but who knows
Squanto: maybe moonwalk faster on the iceroad with enough reflex, athletics & xibar up?
Codiax: lol yeah totally. have to sing ice ice baby to make it work