>>pay to enter a room where there is a box that you can disarm/pick over and over, but with no loot inside

These kind of areas don't work, example shard door, ratha door. Rent a teacher? Doesn't that take away from the way you are supposed to learn the skill?

<Rent a teacher? Doesn't that take away from the way you are supposed to learn the skill?

Not any more than having a PC teach you a skill instead of learning by doing. The NPC would only teach you for a limited amount of time, and maybe at a limited rate, but would provide a nice skill boost and plat sink for those that could afford it. Anyway the thought behind my idea was to provide people with some convenience in exchange for a cost. Making travel, skill training etc a little easier for a price would provide for a consistent plat sink. As long as they are balanced enough to be useful yet not game breaking, I think it could be viable.

>>NPC gating service from the islands

I'm personally not in favour of this. If you want to have pay-to-travel services, I think the better idea would be to do something akin to Lake Gwenalion.

No new ships are going to be put up for sale, but what about a rentable large-scale boats? Set one up for each island and perhaps a Premium-only one at Fang Cove. I think 100pk is a good price to get the vessel for let's say 3 hours? After the time is up, the pilot is set to auto-sail back to home-port. Strip the boats down to the deck boards if that will make them less of a drain on the system. Maybe even drop the whole cabin/galley thing alltogether and make it more like a charter thing with off-limits areas for crew-only.

Could really set it up to scale both price and vessel offered:
M'Kresh/M'Riss - 2 cogs x 50pk for 3 hrs
Aesry - 1 brig x 100pk for 3 hrs
Ratha - 2 brigs x 100pk for 3 hrs
Hara'Jaal - 2 cutters x 75 pk for 3 hrs
Taisgath - 1 cog x 50pk for 3 hrs
Fang Cove - 1 galleon x 150pk for 3 hrs

I don't know, just a thought.

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>>No one wants a boat to sail around like a merry ponce

I really wouldn't say that at all. I've seen many players go out on their boat for that explicit purpose. Introducing a rentable system for boats would also make this a more viable option for players to accomplish.

>>People really want some way to spend money and get fast/instant/on-demand travel from point A to point B.

Seems too much like meta-gaming to me, honestly.

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I dont really think your boat idea would be much of a plat sink. I think a 250-500 plat NPC gate for a half hour everytime a certain moon came up could rake in thousands.

We have moongates in the hands of actual PC's. Others have said they have astral guides to do pretty much this already. I don't get the desire for this, but again I'm just one and these are just my feelings on it. I like the idea of taking standard resources and making them more available for IG uses. Players invest time and energy getting up to the ability to do this kinda stuff that you are just wanting to pay some NPC for. I just find that whack and an attempt to avoid game mechanics/design.

>>Premium members

I really don't know why you would bring this up. LTB > platinum coins. Premium Accounts > Standard. Are you saying that just because they can do it, you should be able to? What would be the advantage to Premium? Why don't you just start paying for Premium?

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>>No one wants a boat to sail around like a merry ponce, they all want a fast instant on ride to wherever they want to go, and people will pay for it. Player owned boats are simply nice ways of getting this. If I could drop 50-100 plat for a instant departure ticket to wherever...I'd do it.

Good to know you speak for the entire player base, but you're wrong. People do want to sail around on boats, and would pay inordinate amounts of plats to do so.

>>Boat name change

That seems like a totally reasonable use of at least 500-1k. I could support this.

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Here's an idea for an IC moneysink that covers a lot of what people want to see.

It might be cool if people could "invest" in a town's economy.

I would imagine things would build up in this kind of order:
1) Town can now hire more component workers for automated resource gathering. This means the local societies will sell materials that are higher quality than normal (so 70 quality vs 50 quality, for example).
2) With all those people coming into town to gather materials and increase their quality, there's some excess workers who are skilled in basic trade. They've been hired up by the local repair shops and as a result repairs are happening faster.
3) More/better materials and a boom in people coming for work? Looks like the local stores can hire more craftsmen and use those resource for their own goods, too! Shops start selling better quality equipment! For example, instead of Cormyn selling finely-crafted quality swords, he'd sell outstanding quality swords instead.
4) What's that? Trade is going that well now as a result of all this investment? Local transports can't support this! Time for more ferries to take people back and forth, cutting down on the wait times!
5) All this popularity is starting to have risks. Local bandits may invade time to time (people like automated mid-level invasions as something to do, right?).
6) It's not just local towns that want these goods anymore: they're going international! Ships now showing up in more frequency.
7) Vault transfers to and from this location are now faster, since they can piggyback on all those convoys going in and out of town.
8) Traveling guildfest-quality merchants start showing up, hoping to get a piece of the pie.
9) Now there's trouble. Word of the town's wealth is getting out of hand. Roaming bandit camps are moving in. These camps are tailored to higher level players and, upon entering, an instanced combat zones is created where you have to kill off 6-12 of them.
10) A wild festival zone appears! Think of this as the 40-fragment god-totem RPA reward. More guildfest-quality merchants and a game or two.

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>a wearable fluffy skinning knife that you don't have to hold in your hand but functions like the lockpick rings. so you can skin without grabbing it up every time.

They make those already, really like the Bless idea though. Maybe even purchasable buffs as well from Clerics/Moon Mages etc. Not full potency max casts but maybe a 5-10 rank buff would be interesting. Buy SoP, Shadows, MAPP etc. Rank bonuses would have to be enough to warrant selling them, maybe 30 minute cast max for a 5-10 rank buff per spell.

>Good to know you speak for the entire player base, but you're wrong. People do want to sail around on boats, and would pay inordinate amounts of plats to do so.

And I'm sure the population of those wanting to do nothing but sail around aimlessly vastly oversizes people who want to be at point X now.

Totally.

>I want to fill a ship full of lead, put up all the sails, and ram a town.

>Wonder what size population that is.

At least two.

>Why don't you just start paying for Premium?

Cool your jets, man. I am Premium. I was suggesting giving everybody access to that system, only they pay plats (lots of them) and we pay LTBs (not very many, really). Plus they can only access it in certain locations (like attach it to the vault square, since they already employ Moon Mages to transfer all your junk).

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"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

there is a sheath that gives blesses too from one of the quests.

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Some of you seem to think that lowering the plat generation wouldn't do anything - I'm not sure how can even say/think that? The example with Apu buying crafting books is a good example, if the plat generation was lower, he would be spending a higher % of his pot on any store bought item, any rent, anything really. It's obvious. Less money in = less money.

Ideas for plat sinks that I personally like.

- Travel (however it's set up)
- Vault Space
- How about bonding potions for non-premie members at a much higher price?
- Memory Orbs - when you die, they burst instant rejuv you. Cost fairly high - but these would be a massive plat sink.
- How about Traders can increase their rent if they can keep their shop open 24/7 for a pay period?

A quick comment on the "stuff to spend money on" discussion. There IS a ton of stuff to spend money on with the crafts - it just doesn't solve any of the plat issues though because it's money just switching hands.

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

I think if each town had a selection of Titles and positions that could be acquired by passing enough coin to the right person, that might get some interest. Especially if the titles gave some form of RP recognition within the borders(guards recognizing you, things like that).

Could even establish formal societies that had titles that were recognized(but needed to be bought or 'leased')

>>Jump-jewelry comes to mind here - maybe you could travel to Throne city and hire a MM to craft a piece for you? Put some high price-tag on it (10,000P), make it last forever

I would pay 10k if it lasted 1 year. Hell maybe even 6 months but that is probably pushing it.

6 month version for 6k, 1 year for 10k.

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

How about paying for the titles your character uses or has access to. You pay the guild leader or some other guild representative and they sell you the rights to wear that title either permanantly or until you want to change it again. The price would scale up based on the title, so just for example, an Initiate Guild title might cost 1P and the Transcendant Guild title might be 100P. Nothing changes with how titles are earned, just how you "wear" them.

I had this fake log trying to describe this, but then thought better of it, as I think i'd probably just muck up the concept in too much details. Anyways..might be a good plat sink thing, assuming it's not too resource intensive.


Blackguard Danoryiel

"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"

>although I would be leery about requiring that every title be pay-to-use

would it help if I rationalized it by saying it'd be sort of like "guild dues" :P


Blackguard Danoryiel

"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"

> pay more for your name to get "out there" to customers

How I do wish I could drop 5,000 or 10,000 plat or whatever to get a maker's mark without having to forge a few thousand sets of heavy full plate. Though the subject of how advanced crafters are screwed in comparison with newbs in terms of armor workorders is for another topic, it would be very nice to be able to buy a basic maker's mark if you have enough skill.

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