>Please do not ever, do this. This would just spike up plat-farming activity in anticipation.

Just like auctions do? There is only so much coin you can squeeze from the game and most people are pushing that boundary as it is.

>>That or make weapon and armor damage sane (i.e. no more total item destruction) and make it happen much more commonly so people have to pay to get their crap repaired. Though there should really be a lower cap on the amount of time repairs take.<<

This sounds so annoying there are no words. =(


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>>Well, no, not really. There's a nigh-infinite amount of money you can squeeze from the game. That's where the (perceived) issue is.

I was referring to coin per unit time, not total amount. I see that there is no end to the amount of gold and platinum in elanthia but every character has a limit to how much he or she can draw per hour or day etc.

Aside from the fact that some people have a lot of money and some don't, I'm not sure that I can see what's broken.

I do think that a lot of the "fixes" being proposed would end up being being of serious harm to those of us who do not devote themselves to squirelling away plats.

Surely there are more important things to focus on.


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FYI: Just because you don't understand the problem, doesn't mean it isn't one. Asking why it's a problem would probably work better than (failed) attempts at being snarky.

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>>FYI: Just because you don't understand the problem, doesn't mean it isn't one. Asking why it's a problem would probably work better than (failed) attempts at being snarky.

Me? Renee? who? Quotes peeps!

For the record, I DO understand the issue and I think it might have some legitimacy to it. I was being sarcastic, sorry you (failed) the perception check ;-)

I seem to remember a certain GM posting the problem a few posts ago... Too much money and no stuff to spend it on...

That sounds like the source of the problem right? No need to ask again. Thanks though.

The point of my posts was to illustrate how absured it sounds to punish characters for storing up money rather than rewarding them for it via ways to spend it.

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>>For the record, I DO understand the issue and I think it might have some legitimacy to it. I was being sarcastic, sorry you (failed) the perception check ;-)
>>The point of my posts was to illustrate how absured it sounds to punish characters for storing up money rather than rewarding them for it via ways to spend it.

Nice backpedaling. The sarcasm was very heavily weighted against the idea that inflation was a problem.

Sometimes the carrot works (more items to buy). Sometimes you need the stick (more repairs necessary).

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If I were looking at redoing item damage, I'd eliminate total item destruction, unless there was an expensive way to ensure items for replacement.

I'd make damage MUCH more common. I'd make some degree of damage repairable by characters, such as oiling a blade or sharpening it with a whetstone. Those kinds of activities are stuff that make for good busy work while RPing and listening to classes.

The way damage should work is that it happens nearly all the time, and very slowly degrades the effectiveness of the weapon or armor. So every few hunting trips you need to stop by the smith (or if you have the skill work on it yourself) and have the weapon or armor tuned up.

While stringing and unstringing bows would be annoying, part of bow wear would be needing to get the strings replaced, needing to get the riser replaced, etc.

This way someone can take the time and effort to keep their stuff in perfect condition or they can let it slide for a week or two and need it drop it off at the smith for repair.

-pete

Have we come full circle yet to the "BURN DOWN THE BANKS!" idea that seems to come up every time this thread crops up? Or am I jumping ahead of the game.

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>> If you're perfectly happy with standard-looking items, wear no fluff, no fest stuff, etc. just the bare-bone DR well, good for you.

This is a bit of a strawman.

Fluff and festival goods and even the best forged/player-crafted stuff have not gone up in price. They have if anything become infinitely more accessible as all of the playerbase has access to easier methods of making money and in the case of player-made goods as the number of suppliers has increased.

The only thing that has appreciably gone up in price are the very rare auction-level items. But frankly, looking at a timespan of the past five years, even that stuff hasn't gone up very much at the auctions themselves.

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>Whether items are denominated in tens of plats or thousands of plats, rare items will still be out of reach of most of the people who want them. If they weren't they wouldn't be rare.

Reminds me of a quote...

"It's supposed to be hard, that's why it's called a short-cut. If it was easy it would just be the way."

Inflation and item rarity really should be separated to not cloud the means of addressing them.


Inflation is the problem where genuine newbies are having trouble due to ever increasing standards expected of them, such as having to have at least a 5 plat j-gweth or be cutoff from the world.


Whereas Rarity WITH skewed inflation/income/economics might be (and true story tho not real numbers) say I spotted soemthing I really want when I started this char, but it was worth 100 plats then and I had, say 3 gold. Now I have 1000 plats in my blank, the market price of the thing has gone up to 1000 plats, and I am extremely unmotivated to pour my account-wide life savings for a single item as that. Such items are not only rare, but will only be exchanged hands among those who've been around forever or actually willing to spend real life cash to purchase plats, or those who put through the effort of playing with the IG economy such that it would defeat my personal purpose of "playing a game".

>>This sounds so annoying there are no words. =(

- Mazrian

I wouldn't be too annoying if it only took a few minutes, or even better yet, the shop has a duplicate just for you on hand, hand in beat up one and some coin and out pops a replacement.

Now very annoying if there is no "replacement" shops around though.


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>>Inflation is the problem where genuine newbies are having trouble due to ever increasing standards expected of them, such as having to have at least a 5 plat j-gweth or be cutoff from the world.<<

If anything, gweth prices have only come down since PC MM's became the only way to get them. Prices on almost everything a character actually needs have either been static or declined.

>>Other stuff<<

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. It sounds like you're saying that you couldn't afford some things you wanted when you started out, but now that you can afford them they don't seem worth spending what you'd have to pay to acquire them.

Without meaning to sound snarky...that sounds like a personal problem rather than a grand economic problem.

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A GM post saying: "I am not in favor of giving players more ways to make money," has spawned a thread that includes complaints that: "Players can't make enough money."

There is a discontinuity here. Is it on my end?

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The problem isn't that you can't make enough money.

The problem is that you can't make more money than other players.

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>>There is a problem with not enough high end items and services to spend money on.

Wait... This is a game with limitless potential money sources with a growing playerbase earning increasingly more money WRT time.

There may very well be a lack of high end items and services, but you have to admit that the statement above does indicate sort of a problem.

How many more people today would be able to buy boats at the original prices when you compare with the number of people who could afford them initially? Given time and desire, the accumulation of wealth of every player will increase. Not simply the amount of wealth, but the rate of accumulation. Whether it affects you or not, you have to see this is a problem.

To simply address "not enough high end items and services" then GMs would have to roll out increasingly expensive swag to drain plats in accordance with the increasing accumulation of wealth. This may not affect most of us, but it's a problem on their end.

I have no problem with having money and all of this is just academic for me. It doesn't affect me in the slightest, but there is still a problem.

Short of tying in the supply of money to an actual economy instead of just spawning it in the form of infinite creatures with infinite coins and valuable pelts/skins and infinite resources for shops to keep buying gems and skins; I suppose Simu could just go all medieval and have NPC tax collectors going around and shaking down the adventurers for "needs of the crown".

Either that or when boats are next released after the code changes, if they look at targeting a certain number of new boat sales, don't be surprised when the Cog lists for several factors more money than it did before.

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>>You haven't found someone willing to sell for the price you've offered. Last was what, 500 plat? Increase your offer.

Yeah I guess 500 plat != the life of me heh. I am just surprised no one has stepped up with a price to buy theirs. But I think most likely no one needs coin that has one and/or every one that has one (at least on forums) uses it.

I will increase my offer...say 800 plat? :/


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>If we all could afford these rare things then they would not be rare.

This does not reflect reality.

Rare things are rare because GMs control the supply.

When have you ever heard of a 'rare' item no one could afford? Someone buys them. All of them. Rarity in Dragonrealms has nothing to do with money - the only way rarity is created is by simply not selling the item.

And...

>Here is my take on the inflation issue. Who cares?

Apparently (at least one) Dev cares. At least, enough to say Dira cases shouldn't be worth more than 3 plat. Hence: this thread occurring.

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To me the inflation thing is an issue not because of the high cost of rare items ... the money supply doesn't effect the rarity of these items in the slightest ... but because it is a symptom of the lack of value of one of the game's basic rewards. Money needs more desirable uses, though I'm uncertain as to what those uses might be.

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