Once again.

This was stated on the gweth:

Your mind hears Zehira thinking, "{faintly}" "my rat I"m selling for 2k but I'll negoitiate"
You hear your mental voice echo, "the ship yard has plenty of rats. Don't need to pay 2K for one."
Your mind hears Zehira thinking, "{faintly}" "not pet rats you dumbarse"

Both of my gweths were then smashed. Now I paid plenty of plat to buy these gweths. And I lose in on second for 1 small comment I made that is hardly gweth abuse. I have no idea where or how far away this person is, and I doubt they would not have smashed my gweth if they knew I could not reasonably retaliate. If I wanted to play pvp I would have logged on to the fallen. When are GMs going to wake to fact that gweth smashers are abused far more than the gweths are. and having devil-may-care players police them is just absurd.

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RP the situation out and hire someone to retaliate if you can't/don't want to. They are Open, and a known Necro, so I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find someone to kill the person for you.

Also, the exact same people would be crying and reporting and warn interacting (lol) over gweth thump, just like they cry and report over actual thump, or having a non-lethal spell cast on them while they're walking by, or any of the other million crazy things that they report over. It won't change anything.

>>Also, the exact same people would be crying and reporting and warn interacting (lol) over gweth thump, just like they cry and report over actual thump, or having a non-lethal spell cast on them while they're walking by, or any of the other million crazy things that they report over. It won't change anything.

While true, it has not escaped my attention that smashing is rather punitive and is getting used slightly (and I would emphasize slightly) more than I originally intended.

I mean, the complaining will never end, but that doesn't by itself mean that there isn't a nugget of concern there. That the anti-gwethsmashing crowd on the forums have yet to find a good example doesn't mean there isn't, or won't be, an example of abuse that we can cut off early.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

My gwethmorals are relatively fluid, as I don't consider gwething to be a "right" of play (otherwise I'd just scrap the gweths and make it an innate ability). But I am tempered by other GMs who have differing opinions on the matter.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

Well obviously Simutronics with their gweth policy has decided they don't want my money. My comment on the gweth was innocent. Consider my account closed. Apparently they feel that having gweths smashed is what their customers want, fine if they feel that will keep players then so be it. They just won't have me as one any longer.

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<Well obviously Simutronics with their gweth policy has decided they don't want my money. My comment on the gweth was innocent. Consider my account closed. Apparently they feel that having gweths smashed is what their customers want, fine if they feel that will keep players then so be it. They just won't have me as one any longer.

The rage is strong with his one.

>>Well obviously Simutronics with their gweth policy has decided they don't want my money. My comment on the gweth was innocent. Consider my account closed. Apparently they feel that having gweths smashed is what their customers want, fine if they feel that will keep players then so be it. They just won't have me as one any longer.

So you are just going to quit because a GM didn't step in to take care of a situation you weren't willing to take care of yourself in a Role-Playing game?

This is not the conflicts folder, please take the bickering over there.

Thanks.


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I've tweeted this before, but it's maybe worth posting I guess:

I wish smashers burned off charges and deactivated them for an hour instead of breaking the gweths and albredine every time. The number of charges it burns off could be based on success in the smash contest, but there would be a little more parity that way and it would make high charge gweths more valuable as well.

It definitely wouldn't stop people from feeling unduly put-upon -- thump only silences you for a minute and a half and doesn't destroy any items and people still utterly lose their heads over it -- but it would feel more balanced to me that way.

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

When I stated on the gweth about getting a rat from the shipyard instead paying 2 plat for one. I really felt that I was being in character to a medival person that found it strange to be paying 2 plat for a creature that runs all over the place. We all know in game that shipyard rats are not the same as the pet rats selling for 2 plat, so the accusation that I was discouraging sales of a product was not what I was doing and was more a commentary on the over all economy of the realms. It was actually said more in humor to this fact and I feel was innocent enough and did not warrant the distruction of all of my charges on both gweths.

My own personal opinion is that gweth smashers shouldn't exist in game, but if they are going to exist then I find the following solution that some suggested as being a reasonable comprise:

>>I wish smashers burned off charges and deactivated them for an hour instead of breaking the gweths and albredine every time. The number of charges it burns off could be based on success in the smash contest, but there would be a little more parity that way and it would make high charge gweths more valuable as well.<<

It may not solve much of the problem with smashers and gweth ediqitte, but it is the best idea, barring banning smashers, that I've heard.

Regardless, I've already cancelled my account which will end at the beginning of the next pay period. There are many other games on the internet that I can try, and I've only already tried very few.

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>NITUKI

Yeah with the amount of vaguely OOC chat on the gweths, it's unfortunate when someone gets smashed for being clever IC. I'd much rather rather see the smashing occur to people who go on about "I mind locked such and such a skill, so I'll be right there" or "someone stole my hunting room and I'm upset". It really doesn't take much work to say "I think I've had enough of practicing my skills in combat, so I'll see you soon" or something similar instead, and it keeps the gweths from feeling like a chat room in Second Life: Elanthia.

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>For some reason you just can't stop thinking about glarmencouplers.

>>Sorry to hear that you let the schoolyard bullies get the best of you.

I doubt anything will change. Sad thing is, imho, there will ALWAYS be a handful of players who will take advantage of the system. More than likely, you will find this kind of behavior in other games as well.<<

You're probably right, but I guess that's something I need to find out for myself. This gweth thing is not the sole reason and the boards is not the place for me post all the reasons why. Despite the complaints I've read on the boards about the experience system, I actually find that system the most appealing factor of the game. I've also found that the Crafting system, as hard as it was for me to pick up on at first, is another system of the game that I really enjoy, but obviously not everything is to my personal liking and no one game is going to satisfy everyone all the time. Yet, I feel I must better explore my options for game play and at least let Simutronics know where at least this player stands on some issues and the importance of those issues to this player. I may be back to play at some point in the future as I have quit play before only to come back to play again. Sometimes to deal with bullies you just have to remove yourself from them at least for awhile.

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The flip side of complaining about people who use gwethsmashers is you're complaining about the half a dozen people that use them on Zehira and Fahijeck every week as well.

Believe it or not, part of the reason gwethsmashers were introduced was to deal with the bullies you're all complaining about. But then 'bullies' is the new 'snert' -- a word so overused and so quickly dropped to describe people it has lost all of its meaning.

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

Not that it matters but the rat was 2K which is 2000 plat, not 2 plat. I could see someone being upset if they thought you were trying to stop their sales attempt with that much coin involved. I thought it was a rather witty comment though.

>>...let's assume for a moment we actually do move to a "gweth thump" model. What kind of silence period do you think is appropriate?

Longer than 1 hour. Cooldown for smashers is 24 hours. If the goal is to not let gweths break because people are sad about that, let the tradeoff be a gweth thump for 2 hours or more. Honestly the whole conversation is silly, people don't want to be held accountable for the stupid crap they say and they don't like being smashed by other players. They dont like thumps neither and those just last a minute or so. I'm not convinced changing this will make a lick of difference in the scheme of things, but since the argument that I've seen presented here is that people dont want to lose their gweths/rings, a longer cooloff period after being smashed should be a fair tradeoff.

>>The flip side of complaining about people who use gwethsmashers is you're complaining about the half a dozen people that use them on Zehira and Fahijeck every week as well.

I would surmise when Zehira or Fahijeck gets gwethsmashed, its from someone close to their combat skills. My complaint is when the circle 150+ character smashes someone well below them because they "can."

Does a low level player have recourse? Of course they do. However, many, if not most low-level players (especially if they are brand new to the game), do not even know any high level characters they could ask. Nor do they have enough coin to "hire" someone, and obviously they can't advertise for one.

So yeah, I have a really big concern for newer players/younger characters who don't have a champion they can turn to when they feel they have been unjustly gwethsmashed or thumped.


~Gab

>>I'm inclined to agree that the core problem is "people don't want to RP the consequences of their actions," but I am still aware that item destruction is otherwise unprecedented and there can be (and has been to me) an argument made that that shouldn't be possible.

Yeah, it is an argument (the item destruction) that at least has merit. Why not just make it a thump then, but make the "thump" period last longer as the tradeoff?

There goes my 150-250 plat every two weeks income boost. :/

Talking more about it behind the scenes, what I'll probably do (not promising it's certain yet, but where I'm leaning towards) is shutting off new gwethsmasher production, but letting existing gwethsmashers remain gwethsmashers that will either get used up without replacement or start gathering dust in vaults.

Along with that adding a new THUMP GWETH option that allows for the gweth thump w/o any extrenous items necessary to use it.

-Armifer
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