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Today, as is my custom, I jump the west rail of the ramp. Fell on my hunches and amid a group of players. Being the madman I am, I sang "It's raining men" Did not even put alleluyah.
Without warning of any kind one of the group thump me. I glare at him. He slaps me.
Then he warns me that "Any more retarded singing, and he will kill me." (His exact words.) I profiled the guy and see he is PvP Guarded (as was I).
I cannot tell if he abused his thumping powers (a warning first perhaps? Is not like I was OOC talking about the Super Bowl.
I wanted to know if when one tries to thump a character of higher or too close a circle as oneself the intended target, and those around, gets a message?
If not, thumping is a great tool to identify characters 20 circles or more younger than one's character, thus generally safe to bully, and filter those thay may be higher or too close for a bully's peace of mind.
I remember thumping as being, generally, a policing verb, rather than a RP tool. Older characters were to use it when someone was being blatantly OOC or disruptive, and unless blatantly OOC, with a warning, since the idea was to teach a younger, or at least call the attention of a player as to an issue.
I specially doubt that it being used as a measuring road and bait can be intended.
Carlos
ACEVEDO-MUNO
APATHETICSMILE
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 03:08 AM CST
http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Thump_command
Specifically:
>>If someone wants to THUMP someone and they have the ability to do so, for whatever reason (Attacking them, stealing from them, kicking them, looking at them funny, etc.), then they're perfectly within their right to do so. Period.
Specifically:
>>If someone wants to THUMP someone and they have the ability to do so, for whatever reason (Attacking them, stealing from them, kicking them, looking at them funny, etc.), then they're perfectly within their right to do so. Period.
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 08:52 AM CST
You said something stupid and mostly OOC.
You got thumped for it.
Granted, the thumper is wound too tight, and a prissy little thing, but, it's legal.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
You got thumped for it.
Granted, the thumper is wound too tight, and a prissy little thing, but, it's legal.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
VEE-REX
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:56 AM CST
ACEVEDO,
I had a feeling you were this type of player. Thanks for the confirmation.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
I had a feeling you were this type of player. Thanks for the confirmation.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 10:59 AM CST
You are welcome. But; Which kind?
On other news, and now that I've read the thumping policies, I still will suggest that when being tested for a thump, or if someone tries thump on someone they cannot thump, a Message on the line of "CharacterA flattens his hand and eyes CharacterB's throat", "Character A flattens his hand as he focus his eyes on you throat" for Thump Test, and "CharacterA seemed about to thump CharcterB but quicky changed his mind", "CharacterA seemed about to thump you, but apparently changed his mind at the last second" for attempting thumping on someone higher or too close to the Thumper's circle.
And just as thump gives consent on the thumper, an attempted thump (but not the Thump test) should give consent too.
Carlos
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 11:27 AM CST
Ya, no.
Policy playing and consent BS are ruining a lot of the game.
We don't need to continually expand this crap for e-peen measuring contests. And we sure as testes don't need a 'thump test' command.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
Policy playing and consent BS are ruining a lot of the game.
We don't need to continually expand this crap for e-peen measuring contests. And we sure as testes don't need a 'thump test' command.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
SULLIVANS3
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 11:36 AM CST
Not that I care about any of this personally, but as a random side note there already is a thump test command. I think he's just asking that it grant consent as much as thump does.
Personally I think this is one of those situations where you either RP something, take your chances acting on the granted consent (assuming THUMP grants it), or walk away and accept it, but whatever works.
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 11:38 AM CST
>Not that I care about any of this personally, but as a random side note there already is a thump test command. I think he's just asking that it grant consent as much as thump does.
Must need a valid target to test it on then, I couldn't get any thump commands to respond to me, but I've only used it once, and only had it used on me once, so meh.
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Must need a valid target to test it on then, I couldn't get any thump commands to respond to me, but I've only used it once, and only had it used on me once, so meh.
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SULLIVANS3
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 11:39 AM CST
I think it's thump <name> test, but not 100% sure.
~Katt
A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!
BUUWL
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 11:41 AM CST
I think he's saying failed thump attempts should be broadcast or made known in some way so people can't walk around and "test" other people's circles. Not exactly sure if that's the point, but if it is I think it has very limited application.
- Buuwl
- Buuwl
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 12:45 PM CST
I'll never get a Ronald Reagan Award for being a 'Great Communicator'.
Buuwl is right. I think that 'thumping test' and a failed attempt to thump should give out a message. As it stands now it can be a tool for fishing for easy pickings for conflict. A player can go around thumping around all he sees and as it is a No GM situation, unless he targets the same player's character for repeated unprovoked thumping there is no harassment involved. If a message is added to the person being 'tested' or against whom an attempt at thumping is made, then those who are using it to fish for easy pickings (i.e. characters at least 20 circles below theirs) could be dissuaded when some of their fishing expeditions are met by failed attempts at thumping someone who can really give them a fight.
Those players that use thumping as a role-playing tool to seek out conflict will get to role-play conflict not only with characters generally weaker than their own (as most characters more than 19 circles bellow could be) but also to role-play conflicts with potentially bigger or more evenly matched characters who may take offense at being looked at for a thumping or, even more serious from the role-playing point of view of a conflict, have a thumping attempted on them. The message to the room would also get the other people involved who may see the attempt or 'test' involved in the role-playing of a conflict.
It will be more akin to what happens when one fails a stealing attempt (or failed attempt to thump) against another character or even when you are noticed 'marking' (consider it as being notice to 'test thump') another character.
Carlos
Buuwl is right. I think that 'thumping test' and a failed attempt to thump should give out a message. As it stands now it can be a tool for fishing for easy pickings for conflict. A player can go around thumping around all he sees and as it is a No GM situation, unless he targets the same player's character for repeated unprovoked thumping there is no harassment involved. If a message is added to the person being 'tested' or against whom an attempt at thumping is made, then those who are using it to fish for easy pickings (i.e. characters at least 20 circles below theirs) could be dissuaded when some of their fishing expeditions are met by failed attempts at thumping someone who can really give them a fight.
Those players that use thumping as a role-playing tool to seek out conflict will get to role-play conflict not only with characters generally weaker than their own (as most characters more than 19 circles bellow could be) but also to role-play conflicts with potentially bigger or more evenly matched characters who may take offense at being looked at for a thumping or, even more serious from the role-playing point of view of a conflict, have a thumping attempted on them. The message to the room would also get the other people involved who may see the attempt or 'test' involved in the role-playing of a conflict.
It will be more akin to what happens when one fails a stealing attempt (or failed attempt to thump) against another character or even when you are noticed 'marking' (consider it as being notice to 'test thump') another character.
Carlos
BUUWL
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 12:54 PM CST
<<Buuwl is right. I think that 'thumping test' and a failed attempt to thump should give out a message. As it stands now it can be a tool for fishing for easy pickings for conflict.>>
I was correct about what you were trying to say. I do not think this is used very often to fish circle info.
There is a relatively small community that plays this game and as you play over the years it shrinks smaller and smaller. Too be honest if I'm looking to fight people or correct someone for being annoying, I'm more often going to spam check profiles and make sure the person isn't closed.
- Buuwl
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 01:13 PM CST
There goes the great communicator again.
I meant that Buuwl understood what I was trying to say. Not rhat he was agreeing with me.
Carlos
TILTINGVAGABOND
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 02:51 PM CST
Just take your lumps, and walk away.
I am always surprised by how hard people take their text smack down.
Deaths: 710 Departs: 495
Got get yourself some favors and work on dying over and over and over.
Then the next time that guy thumps you, pull out a weapon and take a chance.
If you can't kill him today, go to the hunting grounds, script the holy heck out of your character for a few months, come back and try again.
I think people would respect you more for taking a shot and getting your butt handed to you, than if you come to the boards griping about policy and looking for more ways to DR into a tea party and assist sessions.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
I am always surprised by how hard people take their text smack down.
Deaths: 710 Departs: 495
Got get yourself some favors and work on dying over and over and over.
Then the next time that guy thumps you, pull out a weapon and take a chance.
If you can't kill him today, go to the hunting grounds, script the holy heck out of your character for a few months, come back and try again.
I think people would respect you more for taking a shot and getting your butt handed to you, than if you come to the boards griping about policy and looking for more ways to DR into a tea party and assist sessions.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 03:07 PM CST
>>Deaths: 710 Departs: 495
That's pretty impressive. I thought I had bragging rights at 230 deaths!
That's pretty impressive. I thought I had bragging rights at 230 deaths!
NINEVAH1
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 05:06 PM CST
>>You are welcome. But; Which kind?
The policy playing type.
>>I think people would respect you more for taking a shot and getting your butt handed to you, than if you come to the boards griping about policy and looking for more ways to DR into a tea party and assist sessions.
QFT
>>Deaths: 710
Nice.
The policy playing type.
>>I think people would respect you more for taking a shot and getting your butt handed to you, than if you come to the boards griping about policy and looking for more ways to DR into a tea party and assist sessions.
QFT
>>Deaths: 710
Nice.
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 05:23 PM CST
> As it stands now it can be a tool for fishing for easy pickings for conflict. A player can go around thumping around all he sees and as it is a No GM situation
Like any verb in game, abuse of the mechanic can and will lead to losing it, warnings, etc. Spam thumps (as you seem to be implying aka reefer madness) haven't happend. Ever. Probably a good indication of the likelyhood there.
>Those players that use thumping as a role-playing tool to seek out conflict
You seem to be confused as to the meaning of 'role play' in this context. What you're describing is PvP griefing. It's as far removed from RP as a Barb from MMs.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
Like any verb in game, abuse of the mechanic can and will lead to losing it, warnings, etc. Spam thumps (as you seem to be implying aka reefer madness) haven't happend. Ever. Probably a good indication of the likelyhood there.
>Those players that use thumping as a role-playing tool to seek out conflict
You seem to be confused as to the meaning of 'role play' in this context. What you're describing is PvP griefing. It's as far removed from RP as a Barb from MMs.
Note: this is not a plug for Genie or Elanthipedia or Mars Bars.
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 05:25 PM CST
I think that being able to go around thumping or trying to thump other characters, so as to goad into conflict only those 20 or more circles lower than you with an action that is no GM actionable is more in the spirit of Policy Playing.
I did not involved the GM's in the incident, nor brought the names here. I described an incident and then after reading about the Thumping Policy (as another player suggested) added what I think is a RP check on the Thump mechanics.
Carlos
VEE-REX
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 05:56 PM CST
I witnessed much of this event myself. Sure, the thumper was a jerk but don't act like you were some innocent kid not being OOC.
>>Suddenly you see Vieque jump from the walkway, landing on the ground with feet planting stiffly and painfully to the ground. With a grimace of pain, Vieque sits back clumsily.
>>Vieque sings in a tenor voice:
>>"Is raining men!"
>>Vieque stands up.
>>With amazing speed, *** strikes Vieque in the throat with the edge of his flattened palm. Vieque clutches his throat, wheezing pathetically.
The OP chose to continue, of course.
>>Vieque glares at ***.
>>*** slaps Vieque! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!
>>Vieque slaps ***! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!
And so on...
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
>>Suddenly you see Vieque jump from the walkway, landing on the ground with feet planting stiffly and painfully to the ground. With a grimace of pain, Vieque sits back clumsily.
>>Vieque sings in a tenor voice:
>>"Is raining men!"
>>Vieque stands up.
>>With amazing speed, *** strikes Vieque in the throat with the edge of his flattened palm. Vieque clutches his throat, wheezing pathetically.
The OP chose to continue, of course.
>>Vieque glares at ***.
>>*** slaps Vieque! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!
>>Vieque slaps ***! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!
And so on...
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
NINEVAH1
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:12 PM CST
>>I think that being able to go around thumping or trying to thump other characters, so as to goad into conflict only those 20 or more circles lower than you with an action that is no GM actionable is more in the spirit of Policy Playing.
I don't think you understand what policy playing means. The person may of been baiting you, but in no way were they using policy to get you in trouble. You though are coming to the boards (where GMs also read), and complaining because you couldn't speak in game for a couple of minutes. Your first post also asked if the person was acting against policy.
As others have said there are several options you had to deal with this interaction that did not include GMs (directly or indirectly). You could have attacked them regardless of their PvP profile since you had consent, you could of walked away and ignored the person, you could have have waited for the thump to wear off, and had a conversation with the person. RP is about rolling with whatever happens and responding to it in character, not coming to the boards crying because you can't speak for a couple minutes.
You also seem to be stuck on the misconception that if you can be thumped by someone then they can kill you. This is not always the case, and would wager that my ~100th character could kill just about anyone who could thump him except for the 150+ crowd. This is different at the lower circles, but as Diggan said you will get much more respect by taking a beating in stride than coming to the boards about a thump.
People do not use thump as a phishing tool as much as you are making out to be, in fact I can't tell you the last I thumped someone or was thumped. I don't see the point in adding consent to checking a verb that does nothing more than remove the ability to speak for a short while. It's there for when it is actually used with success which seems fair enough to me without adding even more grey area into this game.
Now as abrasive as this post might come off I'm actually trying to be helpful, but I'm fairly sure you will not see that.
I don't think you understand what policy playing means. The person may of been baiting you, but in no way were they using policy to get you in trouble. You though are coming to the boards (where GMs also read), and complaining because you couldn't speak in game for a couple of minutes. Your first post also asked if the person was acting against policy.
As others have said there are several options you had to deal with this interaction that did not include GMs (directly or indirectly). You could have attacked them regardless of their PvP profile since you had consent, you could of walked away and ignored the person, you could have have waited for the thump to wear off, and had a conversation with the person. RP is about rolling with whatever happens and responding to it in character, not coming to the boards crying because you can't speak for a couple minutes.
You also seem to be stuck on the misconception that if you can be thumped by someone then they can kill you. This is not always the case, and would wager that my ~100th character could kill just about anyone who could thump him except for the 150+ crowd. This is different at the lower circles, but as Diggan said you will get much more respect by taking a beating in stride than coming to the boards about a thump.
People do not use thump as a phishing tool as much as you are making out to be, in fact I can't tell you the last I thumped someone or was thumped. I don't see the point in adding consent to checking a verb that does nothing more than remove the ability to speak for a short while. It's there for when it is actually used with success which seems fair enough to me without adding even more grey area into this game.
Now as abrasive as this post might come off I'm actually trying to be helpful, but I'm fairly sure you will not see that.
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:13 PM CST
The OOC being? Good to see a log. Except, I do not think there was much after the 'and so on'. No silly repeated slapping, nor silly repeated thumping.
I try to Role-Play my character (badly) as an escapee of Dirge Asylum. He was (or thinks he was, your choice) one of those madmen that we kill in the dusty road around Dirge. So he jumps rails and sings one line making reference to his just having fallen from up there into a group. Crazy.
What problem do you see in making failed attempts to thump and 'thump test' to give out messages too? What problem is there to making an attempt thump (though no the 'thump test') also give consent?
Carlos
I try to Role-Play my character (badly) as an escapee of Dirge Asylum. He was (or thinks he was, your choice) one of those madmen that we kill in the dusty road around Dirge. So he jumps rails and sings one line making reference to his just having fallen from up there into a group. Crazy.
What problem do you see in making failed attempts to thump and 'thump test' to give out messages too? What problem is there to making an attempt thump (though no the 'thump test') also give consent?
Carlos
VEE-REX
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:13 PM CST
Thinly veiled OOC remarks are... OOC.
I have no problem with thump and thump test giving out messages so long as the same applies to Thief Mark for (gasp) everyone. As it stands now, I can't tell if a -50th circle Thief is spam marking me at all. I know Rangers also have something similar but not to the extent that Thieves do.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
I have no problem with thump and thump test giving out messages so long as the same applies to Thief Mark for (gasp) everyone. As it stands now, I can't tell if a -50th circle Thief is spam marking me at all. I know Rangers also have something similar but not to the extent that Thieves do.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
NINEVAH1
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:21 PM CST
>>What problem do you see in making failed attempts to thump and 'thump test' to give out messages too? What problem is there to making an attempt thump (though no the 'thump test') also give consent?
Messaging would just provoke the target
Consent is not needed on a failed check/thump because thump does not actually make the target lose something like stealing/gwethsmashing does. After a thump has worn off your character is the exact same as before it got thumped. The same can't be said for stealing (you lost coins, and while you can earn more, you can't get back those coins back) or gwethsmashing (gweth is gone). Thump is not the same as those two, and a successful thump grants consent. I don't see the point of adding consent to something that causes no harm, and happens very rarely.
Messaging would just provoke the target
Consent is not needed on a failed check/thump because thump does not actually make the target lose something like stealing/gwethsmashing does. After a thump has worn off your character is the exact same as before it got thumped. The same can't be said for stealing (you lost coins, and while you can earn more, you can't get back those coins back) or gwethsmashing (gweth is gone). Thump is not the same as those two, and a successful thump grants consent. I don't see the point of adding consent to something that causes no harm, and happens very rarely.
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:22 PM CST
NINEVAH1, when I got my voice back I asked what the problem was. And I tried to get * to come up with something better than first thumping, then warning. I was asked by the group there to leave things as they were or leave. So I left.
My asking in the beginning if what happened was thumping abuse was because my memory served me wrong, and I was under the impression that thumping was a way of players policing OOC commentaries. Once directed to a link explaining the Thumping verb, that was cleared out.
Carlos
YAMCER
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:22 PM CST
<<I witnessed much of this event myself. Sure, the thumper was a jerk but don't act like you were some innocent kid not being OOC.>>
A bit of a stretch to say singing "is raining men!" as being OOC. One doesn't need a reason to thump so just saying, "him singing annoyed me" is enough.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
A bit of a stretch to say singing "is raining men!" as being OOC. One doesn't need a reason to thump so just saying, "him singing annoyed me" is enough.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
NINEVAH1
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:23 PM CST
Double post
Meant to also say the marking someone (whether they know or not) does not grant consent either.
Meant to also say the marking someone (whether they know or not) does not grant consent either.
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:39 PM CST
Marking, like 'test thump' give no consent. But Marking can give messages to the marked character and/or to those with enough perception in the room.
Attempted stealing gives consent, even when unsuccessful and thus when the victim suffered no loss at all. Is the intent, right. I think that messaging a thump attempt would do the same. No damage, but the intended victim has the option to escalate.
Thumping and Stealing give consent. Stealing, which does causes a lost to the victim, locks the thief open for 24 hours. Thumping does not causes any lost, but it gives consent too, however, it does not lock open the aggressor, which is fair as the victim only loss a minute or so of his speech.
Carlos
VEE-REX
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:41 PM CST
>>A bit of a stretch to say singing "is raining men!" as being OOC.
My opinion is that there should be context given.
If someone say, "One nation, under Meraud, indivisible." It's not technically OOC to me, even though most will recognize where it comes from.
If someone say, "Talent wins battles, but teamwork and intelligence wins wars." It's not OOC to me, even if most do not immediately recognize what it was taken from.
If someone pops out of nowhere and sings, "Never gonna give you up!" It's OOC to me, because it was placed in no kind of context whatsoever.
Just my opinion on the matter, and you can't blame others for feeling that it may have been OOC.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
My opinion is that there should be context given.
If someone say, "One nation, under Meraud, indivisible." It's not technically OOC to me, even though most will recognize where it comes from.
If someone say, "Talent wins battles, but teamwork and intelligence wins wars." It's not OOC to me, even if most do not immediately recognize what it was taken from.
If someone pops out of nowhere and sings, "Never gonna give you up!" It's OOC to me, because it was placed in no kind of context whatsoever.
Just my opinion on the matter, and you can't blame others for feeling that it may have been OOC.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
VEE-REX
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 06:42 PM CST
>> But Marking can give messages to the marked character and/or to those with enough perception in the room.
I'm pretty sure only Paladins or Thieves can noticed being marked. Not just anyone.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
I'm pretty sure only Paladins or Thieves can noticed being marked. Not just anyone.
Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.
-GM Abasha
TILTINGVAGABOND
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 07:29 PM CST
>>My opinion is that there should be context given.
He's male, he fell from the sky. It's raining men?
I don't know, I think the thumper was being a bit of a bully, but I still think looking for those things to grant consent is a horrible idea.
However... I think to use thump or thump test you should have to be guarded or open. If you are closed to PvP you have no business using thump.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
He's male, he fell from the sky. It's raining men?
I don't know, I think the thumper was being a bit of a bully, but I still think looking for those things to grant consent is a horrible idea.
However... I think to use thump or thump test you should have to be guarded or open. If you are closed to PvP you have no business using thump.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
SARKRANIS
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 07:50 PM CST
You're arguing that thump tests and failed thumps should grant consent (and alert the room) because someone could hypothetically use THUMP as a way "to fish for easy pickings," but there is no indication that this is what happened to you or that other players are abusing the system in that way.
You were successfully thumped for singing a pop song in a medieval fantasy game. The successful thump granted you consent. What options you might have had if the thumper had been unsuccessful is irrelevant to your situation.
There is no need to add yet another layer of consent policy to address a hypothetical abuse of the thump mechanics when there are other ways to handle it, such as:
* role-playing (including PvP)
* reporting abuse of thump mechanics or the closed/guarded stance to GMs (If someone is "[going] around thumping or trying to thump other characters, so as to goad into conflict only those 20 or more circles lower," GMs could remove that player's ability to thump and/or adjust that person's PvP stance to a setting that more accurately reflects his play style.)
* adding a timer to THUMP TEST that would prevent people from using it as a fishing tool
>>Tiltingvagabond: However... I think to use thump or thump test you should have to be guarded or open. If you are closed to PvP you have no business using thump.
I would not mind if PvP closed people were prevented from using THUMP, as it is arguably the sort of hostile behavior that someone who "prefers to do everything he can to avoid PVP" would not engage in. (Not that it would have affected this particular situation, because the person who thumped Vieque was apparently guarded at the time.)
You feel your Heart Link with a mug of zombie's revenge fade away.
You were successfully thumped for singing a pop song in a medieval fantasy game. The successful thump granted you consent. What options you might have had if the thumper had been unsuccessful is irrelevant to your situation.
There is no need to add yet another layer of consent policy to address a hypothetical abuse of the thump mechanics when there are other ways to handle it, such as:
* role-playing (including PvP)
* reporting abuse of thump mechanics or the closed/guarded stance to GMs (If someone is "[going] around thumping or trying to thump other characters, so as to goad into conflict only those 20 or more circles lower," GMs could remove that player's ability to thump and/or adjust that person's PvP stance to a setting that more accurately reflects his play style.)
* adding a timer to THUMP TEST that would prevent people from using it as a fishing tool
>>Tiltingvagabond: However... I think to use thump or thump test you should have to be guarded or open. If you are closed to PvP you have no business using thump.
I would not mind if PvP closed people were prevented from using THUMP, as it is arguably the sort of hostile behavior that someone who "prefers to do everything he can to avoid PVP" would not engage in. (Not that it would have affected this particular situation, because the person who thumped Vieque was apparently guarded at the time.)
You feel your Heart Link with a mug of zombie's revenge fade away.
DAENAR-DR
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 08:28 PM CST
>> I don't know, I think the thumper was being a bit of a bully, but I still think looking for those things to grant consent is a horrible idea.
Thump does grant consent no?
Thump does grant consent no?
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 08:32 PM CST
Sarkranis, I concur with most of your post, except:
I am not asking for consent upon a 'test thump', just as marking do not grants consent, just for messaging along the lines as marking for robbing do. Attempt Thump is should give the same kind of consent as attempt stealing do. Attempt stealing's will still be more severely treated as it also comes with a PvP OPEN for the next 24 hours.
The line of the song (where I did not even included the Hallelujah!) was only OOC based on the Player's knowledge, not the character's. For all they knew, I had just came up with that.
One line I like to use, specially when hunting in groups, and as we get a respite from a group of critters and kill the last one is "Peace in our times". It fits, and it is the player, and not the character, who knows I am quoting a duped Neville Chamberlain, Planet Earth, circa 1938.
In game, I am not talking of Super Bowl, Guns, Elvis Presley, GM-Solomon, Hunting-Rooms, Training or Hunting Scripts (never learned to use those) or Spell Slots. I am role-playing a deranged old man who says he was a madman. He is not a Controlled, Coldly Logical but insane Necromancer, nor a kill anyone because I'm so Crazy kind of madman. As I play the madman he is illogical, given to surreal rants and often times nice. And he jumps from rails and sings.
Carlos
P.S. I brought this discussion here as it seems to be the place for it. As far as I know, even though GM's read the boards, the boards and the game are two separate worlds. In here one can get in trouble with SIMU for violating the Board Policies, or even the instructions of the moderators. The only place where the Boards and the DR game intersect is at the In Character Conflict folders. I hope I haven't missed another memo.
I am not asking for consent upon a 'test thump', just as marking do not grants consent, just for messaging along the lines as marking for robbing do. Attempt Thump is should give the same kind of consent as attempt stealing do. Attempt stealing's will still be more severely treated as it also comes with a PvP OPEN for the next 24 hours.
The line of the song (where I did not even included the Hallelujah!) was only OOC based on the Player's knowledge, not the character's. For all they knew, I had just came up with that.
One line I like to use, specially when hunting in groups, and as we get a respite from a group of critters and kill the last one is "Peace in our times". It fits, and it is the player, and not the character, who knows I am quoting a duped Neville Chamberlain, Planet Earth, circa 1938.
In game, I am not talking of Super Bowl, Guns, Elvis Presley, GM-Solomon, Hunting-Rooms, Training or Hunting Scripts (never learned to use those) or Spell Slots. I am role-playing a deranged old man who says he was a madman. He is not a Controlled, Coldly Logical but insane Necromancer, nor a kill anyone because I'm so Crazy kind of madman. As I play the madman he is illogical, given to surreal rants and often times nice. And he jumps from rails and sings.
Carlos
P.S. I brought this discussion here as it seems to be the place for it. As far as I know, even though GM's read the boards, the boards and the game are two separate worlds. In here one can get in trouble with SIMU for violating the Board Policies, or even the instructions of the moderators. The only place where the Boards and the DR game intersect is at the In Character Conflict folders. I hope I haven't missed another memo.
NINEVAH1
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:08 PM CST
>>As far as I know, even though GM's read the boards, the boards and the game are two separate worlds. In here one can get in trouble with SIMU for violating the Board Policies, or even the instructions of the moderators. The only place where the Boards and the DR game intersect is at the In Character Conflict folders. I hope I haven't missed another memo.
You have a lot to learn.
You have a lot to learn.
ACEVEDO-MUNO
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:23 PM CST
Ninevah1, and I do appreciate that you seem to be of the ones that tries to teach.
Thanks, won't happen again.
Carlos
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:27 PM CST
Shutting up a lunatic via THUMP isn't OOC nor is it against policy nor is it poor roleplay.
This thread seems to just be sour grapes for a lunatic RP not giving the results expected.
The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
This thread seems to just be sour grapes for a lunatic RP not giving the results expected.
The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
CARDINALE01
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:41 PM CST
Singing "It's Raining Men" isn't OOC in the policy way, it's OOC in the player knows what that is and it's jarring and immersion breaking and people who do things like that are being inconsiderate to their fellow players way. It's like when someone talks about a "play" they saw put on by some "famous bards" and then go quoting some popular movie.
TILTINGVAGABOND
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 09:56 PM CST
>>Singing "It's Raining Men" isn't OOC in the policy way, it's OOC in the player knows what that is and it's jarring and immersion breaking ...
This is not only complete hyperbole, but a slippery slope as well. If you're totally immersed, the correct response would be:
"What is this raining of men of which you speak?"
not:
"Oh hey, I have this neat thing I can type that crushes someone's vocal cords and somehow they recover completely 2 minutes later"
If someone has that much of problem with being "immersed" in the gaming world, they might want to seek a stronger dose of medication.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
This is not only complete hyperbole, but a slippery slope as well. If you're totally immersed, the correct response would be:
"What is this raining of men of which you speak?"
not:
"Oh hey, I have this neat thing I can type that crushes someone's vocal cords and somehow they recover completely 2 minutes later"
If someone has that much of problem with being "immersed" in the gaming world, they might want to seek a stronger dose of medication.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
CARDINALE01
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Thumping and Slapping.
02/02/2013 10:27 PM CST
>>If you're totally immersed, the correct response would be...
You'd have a much better time roleplaying if you didn't think there was more than one way someone should respond to something.
The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
You'd have a much better time roleplaying if you didn't think there was more than one way someone should respond to something.
The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).
