In the next few days, a free FIXSKILLS will be made available to all characters to help players adjust to the many changes and enhancements that have come with RSN (primarily MOC, but also the many spell changes, maneuvers, etc.).

It is highly recommended that players try the changes with their current training regimen before using this FIXSKILLS, as it will be a one-time option for RSN.

Be sure to ask any questions you may have before using the FIXSKILLS. Answers to your questions can be on the GemStone IV Forums or by ASSISTing with a GameHost.

Please note that FIXSKILLS do not accrue. If you already have one, this will not be an extra.

>Please note that FIXSKILLS do not accrue. If you already have one, this will not be an extra.

If I use my one from May today, will the one we get in the next few days carry forward in it's place?

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Any chance you can tell us more precisely than "in the next few days"?

I've never used the one from May--for any of my 20+ characters--because there wasn't anything that I needed to change that quickly.

But if I know when this one is coming in, I can cycle everyone through and use them (before that date) to try things out, and still have that one available.

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Even "over the weekend" will work for me, because I can do them all tomorrow night. <shrug>

If you have 1 Fixskills already I'd suggest you use it unless you still feel you don't need to make any major changes. For those that have one now and will get one soon, remember the other one is coming in May. I really doubt 3 Fixskills will be necessary in the next 6-7 months.

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I havent read the Sorcerer folder yet ..
But anyway, I have been saving my May one to see if I like Animate Dead. Do I use this one now to accomadate FoF ... which I've had no time to assess and use the new one for AD whenever that comes out? Or do I wait for AD and do both at once ... or do use this one when I've had time to decide if I want to train in MOC, and use next May's for AD. or is something else going to come out before then?

You see my dilemna ... oh and is Nilven going to be allowed to enhance demons - in particular to let them guard me in combat .. then I won't want to FIXSKILLS for AD at all ... it goes on.


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Thanks alot Kitrina for passing this request on and for senior staff for making it so. :) The changes to combat with Force on Force will effect three of my five active characters so I do need to use this Fixskills. :) The other two are fine the way they are.

Jim

How exactly do you use the "fixskills" and will it work with cman points as well as tp's?

Thanks

I've looked at what I'd need to change to get 15 ranks in MOC. I'd lose:
9 ranks in shield use
17 ranks in magical item use
17 ranks in Spell Aiming
1 Minor Spirit spell
5 ranks of Spiritul Lore - Religion
10 ranks of swimming.

Now for a level 15 cleric to lose all his MIU and Spell Aiming is pretty much enough to render me useless in battle. All I've got left to cast is smite/bane. My runestaff is pretty useless since I'm now FAR below the needed 8 magical ranks per level. My shield use drops (yes, I use a shield and a runestaff. I get hit easily enough as it is). Swimming I'm not worried about. I've only used it once on a Voln step and just had it trained because I had no where else to put the extra PTPs.

However, if I don't change anything and stick with what I have, if I get knocked to offensive something 10 levels below me can get a good blow in. Take away dodge/parry/block, I'm just going to get slaughtered. Either way I will no longer be able to hunt. Any kills I happen to get in will all be wasted experience when I get killed so why even try? Just getting to the hunting area I get swung at numerous times so I'd enter the foray already so weak that something my level could probably kill me.

How are we expected to gain any experience if we can't hunt? I'm too low of a level to raise people (though I'm sure a lot of clerics who can will be MUCH more busy now).

I guess my biggest problem with all this is the cost of MOC ranks. At 15/8 that's a lot to ask of a pure.

So the fixskills doesn't really matter. And it's not a workable solution. Scrap this idea. Can't you see by the number of posts that most people don't want this? Then again I'm starting to think what your customer base wants means nothing to you as long as they pay.

My billing cycle starts on the 10th. That's 3 days I'll try it before canceling. If I'm unable to hunt, I will not continue paying/playing.

In order for this to be effective across the board, the MOC costs need to drop for most professions. To acquire enough ranks to even negate one extra attacker can be detrimental to many professions. The fixskills alone isn't going to fix the problems many people are seeing.

As it is, you have to struggle to excel in one particular area with most professions. Even getting 15 ranks across 50 levels will lower many characters' ability to be exceedingly good at one thing and allow moderate skill in another couple. We're adventurers, we're supposed to be beyond the norm. I'm not asking for anything to be made free, but I am asking that the MOC costs get revisted, or the rank requirements for this half-assed system get re-examined.

Is it too much to ask that Warden acknowledge his ability to make mistakes once in awhile? This system is a mistake in the eyes of just about anyone (posters on the boards, anyways) except the staff. The system is poorly implemented, despite the idea being a sound one. If the system has to be left wholly intact as it stands now, then at least allow all professions the ability to work with that system. One rank of MOC for some professions (I can comment only on the ones I've played) approach ONE-THIRD of the alloted training points for one level. And this for ONE RANK in a skill that has one practical application for many professions? Come on. The expectation that we "deal with it" is a very curious and very poor choice for Warden to lay upon his customers.

While I agree with the system in principle, the actual implementation is very poorly thought out. Telling people they must fight together or die is wrong. If you're going to do that, you should be posing options to people beyond "hunt together" or to use non-friendly spells such as open implode, meteor swarm, major wave, etc. That sort of choice is no choice at all to the scores of people who enjoy hunting alone.

Throw into the mix that we are now subject to harm from creatures previously only pests...and still keep us from being able to learn from them, and you're still not giving us what we need to work with, fixskills or none.

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>How exactly do you use the "fixskills" and will it work with cman points as well as tp's?

It will work with your CMAN points (it simply moves any unlearning points you might have into your available point pool).

Coase

Or, conversely, they could just markedly speed up the migration time for a couple weeks while people get adjusted to the new mechanics in place, since that was touted as a positive part of the migration system... that it could be set to shorter times when there was a new system put in that affected a lot of people.

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Nutjob, Khaladon...

Well, you did ask...

>Nutjob, mutant, you decide.

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I vote with the squirrels on this on :)

You had the ability to re-allocate to get these skills and you had the benefit of the generally lower skill costs unique to the cleric profession. While I'll agree that it is possible to play the mutant nutjob, the question remains, "at what cost?". Below is a copy of a post I made from the GSIV Combat Changes Folder. Maybe you will at least acknowledge there is a problem with the MoC costs for some of the professions.

Best regards,
Mark

The table shows the converted costs by profession for 15 and 35 ranks of MoC. Use either Column A OR Column B to determine costs for your character(s). An empath, sorcerer or wizard's cost to off-set the effects of 2 additional attackers (35 ranks MoC) is 1400 Mental TP's.

For a level 100 empath, sorcerer or wizard, who double trains spells, this is equivalent to 87 spell ranks at the double training cost(16 MTP's per spell rank). IMO these MoC costs are way out of line and even an unlimited number of Fixskills will not fix this.

My solution would be to remove MoC (yes that's right.. remove it) from having any DS effect against multiple attackers and reduce the DS pushdown percentages to something more reasonable. Instead of attackers pushing down DS in 25% increments I would recommend changing it to 15%. My preference of course would be to scrap this system entirely but I get the feeling this ain't gonna happen.

Note: These costs are based on the single training skill costs of MoC.

	1 Attacker			2 Attackers
Profession	A(PTP's)	B(MTP's)		A(PTP's)	B(MTP's)
Bard	195	255		455	595
Cleric	465	570		1085	1330
Empath	525	600		1225	1400
Palidan	210	180		490	420
Ranger	270	360		630	840
Rogue	240	345		560	805
Sorcerer	525	600		1225	1400
Warrior	150	165		350	385
Wizard	525	600		1225	1400

<<Since only characters 50+ are currently experiencing this system and until the 7th the general population sees none of it.. kind of hard to dictate if current training paths are workable. - Xatier

For those that have yet to try the system, it would be wise not to use the FIXSKILLS until after the 7th, when you can try it.

There is no "going back" FIXSKILLS. Try the system before you decide change your training path.

I personally don't plan on picking up any MoC ranks because of this change. I have found it doesn't really affect me. I might use it to change some CMAN skills, though. :)

~ Kitrina

<<can you add a +/- 10 ranks button on this goals page???? this is a HELL OF A LOT of clicking...

go to an inn and check in to redo your stats

its like (skill)# + (ranks)# or -

can do all of them in one line.


and i agree with the clicking though, my boss looked over at me with a puzzling look cus of all my clicking, and i looked at him and said fixskills for 6 characters, leave me alone. he left me alone

Coase has confirmed that the fixskills will also fix your cmans.

So if you unlearn all your unwanted cmans before the fixskills (putting say 60 points into the unlearning pool), the fixskills command will change those points from "unlearning" to "available".

Dave
>bash trunk
You're going to punch a scratched gold trunk barehanded? Tsk. You MUST be a warrior.

Do we know when this fixskills will expire?

Sorry if this is a re-post...

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Heh, I liked the orbs too! I bought 4 secondhand and still have three of them. I haven't used them at all, but I plan to one day....


Vrannar,

Officer of the Golden Hawks.

i'm a pure

i dont train in moc

i never will

i got bombarded by 3 muscular supplicants, 1 dogamatist, and a hierophant. guess what? they all died, while i fried

its really not an issue if you know how to hunt well. all i have to say about it

No, but you have the option to peer into the room you're about to enter to see if its swarmed, and not go in there. Its not like you have no option but walk brazenly into a room with five creatures that are going to beat you into a pulp.