<You are wrong, learning that a powerful spell at low levels can hurt ya or even kill can be quite fun! It only grows wearisome for those too stupid to learn that it takes more skill to be <good at it so don't try and cast it 10 times in an hour.

Are we using "powerful" in the RP sense of the word? Because I can't think of anything powerful about 418. It was and is an irrelevant spell that rarely gets used by most players who have access to it. The fact that it's newly "improved" with higher training requirements really didn't add anything to the spell.

<Some of you folks slay me, you don't want the spells to get easier as your power grows you want instant gratification. Then you one trick pony so much and gain so much more ability, and are <bored because you refuse to break out of that 1 trick pony style.

What other tricks does the wizard pony have, RROY? Do tell! Last I checked if you weren't either an immolate mage or a war mage, you cast bolts. Bolts, which are all functionally the same spell. Where are all these tricks you think we have? And what have they done thus far to change that as they should if they're going to break our little pony?

<Immolate Immolate rinse and repeat, so boring... Now you can mix in some other nifty fire spells both CS, and AS.

Yes, nerfing the power of immolate so that bolts seem a little bit better by comparison is a truly innovative design. Brilliant! Of course, I hope there's more to it than that. Don't you?

<Haste was being exploited, it was never meant to be up 100%, much less for a whole hunting party

This is 100% nonsense.

<Poor people can't survive and die sometimes, most of you are so min maxed and over trained and so geared you don't die often enough. Your boredom is your own fault.

<You have an incomplete data set because you don't know all of the release and you nitpick every release and once you have that accomplished you resume your poor lil' you whine about the <spell nerf thats near and dear to your heart.

<You quote wow, which is always buffing/nerfing like its sliced bread and yet you can't wait and see after all the releases that are buffs are in place? I think Estild stated the nerfs were <last....

Blah blah blah.

~Taverkin

I thought most workshops were nodes, but I guess I'll have to double check next time I use one.

Having risk on powerful, useful things like cross-realm sorc portal is reasonable.

Increasing the risk on a spell that already had a poor usefulness::risk ratio seems like the wrong way to go.
I've cast this spell twice in my life, once almost dying from it. While these types of effects sound good on paper, in actual usage the punitive side-effects just make me do without.

Hi everybody!

After reading all of the player feedback about this spell and going through some discussion, we've made a few additional changes to Mana Focus (418).

- A base 25% has been added to the success formula, which should make it much simpler to cast at the lower levels as well as cap out at the 97% success chance. The formula now reads: (25 + (MnE spell ranks / 4) + (Elemental Mana Control ranks / 2) + Aura stat bonus)

- The caster now loses no additional mana for failing on a cast of the spell. (Failures cost 18 mana just like successes now)

- The maximum damage dealt on a failure is now based on the amount that the caster failed by on the roll to succeed. Damage will still be dealt, but the amount of damage will be noticeably lower on average. This means that as you gain a higher chance to succeed at casting the spell from training in EMC and/or the MnE circle, the amount of damage that the spell deals will go down. It is still possible for a failure to be lethal, but that case is now very rare and should not be possible for anyone with a decent chance to succeed with this spell.

Questions? Comments? Love? Hate? Send them on my way!

~ Konacon

Much better, Konacon. Thank you (and the associated DEV team) for working to get this spell improved.

Excellent update! That should prove much more useful, and far less frustrating. Thank you! :)

~ GtG

Learned two things:

1) Whirlin is an evil troll :D

2) The power of my whine is strong. I promise to only use it for good.


In all seriousness, I really appreciate you discussing our concerns and coming up with a solution that, I think at least, is excellent. Both parts are good! Having a success chance > 70% on my character is great, and knowing that my skill will probably keep it from being fatal is awesome.

I know nothing has been discussed about familiar gate, but if some of this excellent design philosophy could find it's way over there eventually, I would use that spell a lot more too. I really want to save my whining for haste so if I could get 930 as a freebie that'd be great ;)


Very Good Change.

The changes should definitely be in. Bad luck obviously does happen sometimes, but if you test it out more and feel like something is wrong, feel free to let me know. :)

~ Konacon

That helps a lot. At least now lower level players should be able to actually use the spell and it won't be much of a risk to high level players. I would have liked to have seen some sort of addition or change to the base functionality of the spell to make it more practically useful. As it stands, the spell is still fairly irrelevant.

~Taverkin

Just keep in mind that just because 418 isn't useful to you that it might be useful to others. Capped and multi-capped characters might not find lots of stuff isn't useful. My old almost triple capped Sorc and my over triple capped mage, both hunted empty-handed, to them both the whole runestaff system was useless...

Haste was very useful for gobbling herbs with those characters too, until I had F/A, Survival, and health capped (Not sure exactly how it helped but I know they boosted healing quite a bit)

At 71 trainings I been using it consistently since its initial ELR release, around 25-30 casts and no deaths. Now today its made less deadly.

There are plenty of ways it can be useful even to you uber folks. Example You know some areas take a bit of time to spawn critters, so you are resting somewhere, but your mana isn't full and your experience buckets empty. You go out to the hunting area and cast 418, and in 2 min. you got your mana full, lost no exp, and the area is critter primed.

Just an elf about town...

>For the Watering, is there anything in either the "spell active" or "mana" results that tells us we are entitled to +10 mana for some number X remaining pulses?

Yes already in spell active:

You currently have the following active spells:
Mana Focus Water Bonus ............. 0:09:58

:D

Askip

Ahhh, excellent.

Thanks!