If i max out on water lore and focus mana in the city of solhaven, can i sink it?



Too soon?

I think part of the problem is that once you are multi-capped and have a toybox full of stuff then you become bored and thus harder to please. I have been using 418 a lot today without the water lore perks (EMC 76) so 38%, )ME 70) so 17%, (Aura Bonus 30) so 30%. Thats 85% at level 70, its enough to make the spell useful. I cast about 6 times and had 1 failure that zapped mana.

I think some of the answer can lay in other game systems. Like critters, Fire Spells should have laughable to no effect on fire creatures, but water should hit HARD! Likewise fire magic should have drastic effect on fire creatures. Air spells work better on earth and earth spells on air creatures.

Just increase the DF against the opposing creatures so the DF is noticeable, while decreasing against the same elements.

It has been brought up many times to roll the bolts into one and stated many times they will not be doing that because it opens too many spell slots.

I guess they also need to develop a really really hard area for the double and triple capped folks with compelling reasons to hunt there. Like double capped gets no experience from creatures under 105 or something. Make it so nasty people won't want to plink away with 901, but want it dead ASAP with harder hitting spells.

Just an elf about town...

>><<This is the Elemental Lore Review, not the Elemental Spell Review. We are revising the base functionality of a few spells, but ultimately, that is not our goal.

GameMaster Estild>>


Ah, clarity ensues. Translation: "We are going to nerf some wizard spells, and are throwing out this ELR as a smoke and mirrors type distraction. Wizard spells that are never cast due to being useless will remain so." Got it.


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>>Got it.

This did not do you the service you believe it did, Throgg. And if you believe it did, then I'll have to say no, you didn't get it.

I use a rule (that I often fail to employ, so pot and kettle is all fair here). No less than 24 hours between acerbic posts on the same concept. I thought it might keep people from getting tired of me.

Well. . . it did. But other things might not have. :) YMMMV.

Doug

I don't think she was talking about 418.

More like: 502, 512, 514, 525, 914, 915, 917.

All of those spells are barely worth casting. Adding a 1-lore tie-in for an insignificant benefit isn't going to make them any better.

Actually, Doug, I've posted Whilder's "Complete History of Enchanting" on Krakiipedia before; virtually positive that it made it over to GSwiki.

Why so it did! For anyone interested, a bit of history. . .

>>https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Enchant_spell_history_(saved_post)

Wiki Wizard,

Doug

>>Let's get the formula from before and provide some meaningful feedback if you don't mind. I agree with you, but I want to know how much before I start suggesting changes. And making the statement without a reasonable suggestion is. . . well, you know.

It was more-or-less like familiar gate in my experience. Around level 50-60, you can expect to cast the spell successfully. Under the current implementation, an optimistic scenario under the same conditions would be something like: "418: Harm Self - This spell grants the caster a 30-50% chance to incur wounds."

The list of skill dependencies for success are sensibly selected but what is the game balance reason?

>>I can assure you that 418 is quite far from 'never cast'.

I recognize that I don't speak for everyone but if all workshops were nodes, 418 would be a "never cast" for me personally. I see that people are saying that they use it in hunting areas but it strikes me as going out of your way to be inefficient so that you can specifically use 418. In my personal use case, if I pause my imbedding to swap a bounty, I re-cast it upon return. Maybe I'm doing so redundantly. I'm not sure. Is it reasonable to consider this multiple uses for the sake of a popularity metric? I don't think so, but perhaps this has no statistically significant impact either way.

The water lore makes it interesting but the success rate formula totally preempts it.

Is this spell overpowered if given no chance at failure? Or just the 3% base?
I certainly don't think so, but maybe there's some weird use case I'm not aware of.

Nodes are pretty commonly available and have increased experience gain to boot.

I'm still not sure what the right answer is - but it might be worth making the spell have a flat 75% success rate, no matter profession or level, and between 0-3%, it has a range of 'hurt me' options, and between 4 and 25%, it simply fails with the message (nothing to anchor to).

I like that the spell was changed to have a sense that 'wizards should have an easier time of this', but I don't know if the intent was 'and no other profession besides maybe sorcerer should even really have a shot'.

If it was, though, can we revisit? Part of the fun of the game is doing the 'odd' thing most others don't consider.

Doug

Cuz' it's what we gotta do!

~Taverkin

>As to your criticism of my training which was phrased in the form of a question: I'm 1x total in mana control with my level 80 sorcerer, 0.5x EMC, 0.5x SMC. If I were 1x EMC (is that typical enough for you?), my success rate would be 66%. I'd still say it's terrible. If I was 2x EMC (to whom is this typical as a sorcerer?), the success rates would be in line with what I was accustomed to previously.

any runestaff user should be 1x in their mana control(s), 2x is quite common, even precap.

The base failure rate is not 5%, you're wrong about that.

Its 5% + 1% for fumbles and + variable armor hindrance.

-ASPEN

I personally don't consider the armor hindrances as base. That aside, the base was 5% and shortly afterwards that was lowered to 3%. It is safe to call that the fumble rate as there is no additional 1% failure.

~GameMaster Draxun

>> Clearly GMs are reading this, no explanation on why this needs such a high failure rate?

>> You know you're sending this spell off for burial, right?

I didn't catch the high failure rate initially and don't really get the thought behind it. Quite honestly it was at the lower levels that I found this spell the most useful. Now I use it more to help out others.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"

I've never noticed failures in casting this spell being overly fatal personally which is why I posted the question about what factors went into determining how bad of a failure it is. Maybe people in robes are dying and my armor is sufficient to stop the worst of it? I don't know but am curious.

-- Robert

"All wizards are beginners; some of us have just been beginning longer!"

>>My Mage & Cleric, in the high-40s, already have fifty (50) ranks of their-Realm Mana Control.

Optimistic 418 success rate with your wizard:
50/4 + 50/2 + 25 = 62.5%

>>My Bard has 30 ranks of Mental, and 20 ranks of Elemental. Just made 47th.

Optimistic 418 success rate with your bard:
47/4 + 20/2 + 25 = 46.75%

A more likely estimate would be around 35% success rate.

Enjoy the new 418, Krakii.

>>Earth node should be aligned to earth lore

Why? This is a vestige of the more properly named "Earthblood" lore from Loremaster. It has to do with mana floes, not dirt.

Doug

418 is pretty close though.

What with the risk of ....dying and all.

Easier to say at level 70. Tell that to the new level 18 wizard who blows himself up, not realizing some of his spells are built to be terrible until he grinds for another year or two.

I don't mind interesting failure, but Rank 3 throat crit for the arrogance of thinking I could use a spell 30 levels below me.. nah, I'm good without that.

You are wrong, learning that a powerful spell at low levels can hurt ya or even kill can be quite fun! It only grows wearisome for those too stupid to learn that it takes more skill to be good at it so don't try and cast it 10 times in an hour.

as time goes by you are better and better like getting the belt after the white in Karate.

Some of you folks slay me, you don't want the spells to get easier as your power grows you want instant gratification. Then you one trick pony so much and gain so much more ability, and are bored because you refuse to break out of that 1 trick pony style.

I'm glad they are forcing it that you can 515, 901 all the critters down to be gone. I find that way boring too. I want to react to what happens so I'm not so bored. I dislike the 1 sec cast time, BUT the auto prep removal is more than a makeup for that.

Immolate Immolate rinse and repeat, so boring... Now you can mix in some other nifty fire spells both CS, and AS.

Haste was being exploited, it was never meant to be up 100%, much less for a whole hunting party

Poor people can't survive and die sometimes, most of you are so min maxed and over trained and so geared you don't die often enough. Your boredom is your own fault.

You have an incomplete data set because you don't know all of the release and you nitpick every release and once you have that accomplished you resume your poor lil' you whine about the spell nerf thats near and dear to your heart.

You quote wow, which is always buffing/nerfing like its sliced bread and yet you can't wait and see after all the releases that are buffs are in place? I think Estild stated the nerfs were last....


Just an elf about town...