I was just about to ask, "Why didn't you do the line as "45, 46, 47" and then said, "Oh, right..." :)

>Good stuff - I need to wait until the next Annual Fixskills before I can do any reasonable testing with the updated assumptions (right now pretty much everything is too easy).-- Robert aka Faulkil

Not everything. There is alexandrite with an enchant bonus of -19 and material difficulty mod of -500. An alexandrite dagger can be purchased off-the-shelf at Tykel's. I tested wood, -20 bonus w/-100 material difficulty. Prior to the pour the enchant difficulty measured -36, the same as a +10 to +15 project.

If I add an additional 100 to the table values, eg., (0 to +5) = -104, (+10 to +15) = -136 penalty, (-20 to -15) = -136 etc., and count the points as listed below, it works out perfectly for my character.

SKILLS and STAT:

Lvl: 43
Wiz: 46
MjE: 25
MnE: 33
AS: 56
MIU: 64
EMC: 40
AUR: 20
LOG: 30
INT: 25

POINTS:

LVL: 43 (lve *1)
WIZ: 90 (2 * ranks up to level + 1.5 * ranks greater than level)
MjE: 12 (25/2)
MnE: 16 (33/2)
AS: 14 (56/4)
MIU: 16 (64/4)
EMC: 20 (40/2)
AUR: 20 Full bonus
LOG: 30 Full bonus
INT: 25 Full bonus
_____

TOTAL POINTS: 286

Note: 176 silvers = 1% encumbrance

***

Enchant Project: 0 to +5 on node (0 bonus) , cloth robes (0 mat mod)


Silver: 5143
>encum
You adjust your gear comfortably and feel satisfied that you are not encumbered

Silver: 5144
>encum
Your load is a bit heavy

Silver: 12359
>pre 925
You trace a series of glowing runes while chanting the phrase for Enchant Item...
Your spell is ready.
>cast my robes
Assuming some flowing robes can be tempered somehow...Unless you are horribly unlucky


Silver: 12360
>pre 925
You trace a series of glowing runes while chanting the phrase for Enchant Item...
Your spell is ready.
>cast my robes
Assuming some flowing robes can be tempered somehow...You should be able to enchant some flowing robes easily enough, barring bad luck.

I reach the horribly unlucky threshold by adding 7216 coins which is 41% encumbrance (82 pts)

Total Points: 286
0 to +5 Enchant Difficulty: 104
Encumbrance Penalty: 82
Success %: 100

286 - (104 + 82 + 100) = 0 All points are accounted for.

***

Question 1: Did you check the adamantine project difficulty before the initial pour?
Question 2: Is there any other property on the adamantine item that might be increasing the difficulty?
Question 3: Can you test an alexandrite dagger before pouring a potion? I would expect the difficulty (if there is a base 100 added to the table values) to measure either -136 or -125. If your results don't match what I'm predicting then we are still missing a key formula component.

Mark

>> Question 3: Can you test an alexandrite dagger before pouring a potion? I would expect the difficulty (if there is a base 100 added to the table values) to measure either -136 or -125. If your results don't match what I'm predicting then we are still missing a key formula component.

>> I'll look to do this tomorrow afternoon and post my results.

I put in my order but there is an hour or so wait for the dagger to be made. I'll pick it up tomorrow and test then.

-- Robert aka Faulkil

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

>> Robert, I think the discrepancy between our numbers is the adamantine enchant penalty and not something unique to the items. T

Hmmm... Adamantine could have some additional wonky penalty. Not that it necessarily relates at all but they do double charge for enchanting adamantine armor in the Premium Point system. Maybe there is a tie in there (or maybe I'm reaching a bit :p )

And I haven't forgotton about the dagger - Faulkil is standing in his shop, dagger in hand, 1 silver into his encumbrance zone waiting on me to log him in and finish testing.

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

>> Once upon a time, there was a modifier for armor. I believe the concept was - more metal, harder to work. But that may just be my oversimplifying things.

>> Is the discrepancy within the realm of this thinking; a modest penalty on the armor side?

It is not. My original adamantine project was a weapon. Now I am working on adamantine armor. They both have the same enchanting difficulty going to 6x (meaning if I remove even one of my enhancives then when I cast 925 I show a lower chance of success for the project).

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

>> Robert, I have a new theory on the adamantine penalty. There is a surcharge added to the base enchant penalty shown in table below

I like when math works but I have some philosophical heartache over this theory as well! Generally speaking it seems like (observation mine) the dev team / designers of this game attempt to avoid using any skill or stat or 'property' more than once. For example, when there are spell improvements suggested based on lore - it is not uncommon for the dev team to point out that a lore already provides some other benefit (when this is the case) suggesting that this is a general design philosophy (vs. just a handy and simple way to dismiss a suggestion).

Having both a material penalty specific to the material (-500 for adamantine) and then having an additional material surcharge on top of this seems like double dipping on the material property. I'm not saying that this isn't a good theory (at least it explains the current numbers) but... I'm still having a hard time with it. :-)

The weekend is fast approaching! Meaning I will have more time (and interest) to devote to enchanting again. So let's see if the alexandrite dagger Faulkil is hanging onto can't give us another piece of the puzzle tonight. :-)

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Kroderine cannot be enchanted.

I've never had any of the (very new) low- and high- steel to look at / test. My recollection is that these also cannot be enchanted (due to their special flare).

Adamantine has a level 60 requirement in order to use / wear it.

Interesting idea, nothing to compare it to comes to mind.

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Hmmm... I don't know if zelnorn can be player enchanted or not... it's such a niche material I've never had much interest in acquiring any. If it is setup similar to defender weapons it won't be player enchantable, but I don't know.

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

The delinquent alexandrite dagger test:

>> Not everything. There is alexandrite with an enchant bonus of -19 and material difficulty mod of -500.

SKILLS and STAT:

Lvl: 100
Wiz: 263
MjE: 20
MnE: 20
AS: 202
MIU: 202
EMC: 202
AUR: 35
LOG: 25
INT: 30

POINTS:

LVL: 100 (lve *1)
WIZ: 388 (2 * ranks up to level + 1.5 * ranks greater than level up to 1.5 + 1.0 * ranks greater than 1.5x level)
MjE: 10 (20/2)
MnE: 10 (20/2)
AS: 50 (202/4)
MIU: 50 (202/4)
EMC: 101 (202/2)
AUR: 35 Full bonus
LOG: 25 Full bonus
INT: 30 Full bonus
Not on a node / not in a workshop: -40
Familiar summoned and present: +20
___

TOTAL POINTS: 779

Note: 372.8 silvers = 1% encumbrance = 2 point enchant penalty.

*

Enchant Project: -19 to -14 not on node / familiar present (-40 + 20 bonus) , alexandrite dagger (-500 mat mod)
Note: I had a bard sing to the dagger after my testing to confirm the -19 enchant value.


Silver: 2959
>encum
You adjust your gear comfortably and feel satisfied that you are not encumbered

Silver: 2960
>encum
Your load is a bit heavy

Silver: 6316
>pre 925
You trace a series of glowing runes while chanting the phrase for Enchant Item...
Your spell is ready.
>cast on my dagger
You gesture at an alexandrite dagger.
A muted glow instantly surrounds the alexandrite dagger, flickering slightly, and fades a moment later.

Assuming an alexandrite dagger can be tempered somehow...You should be able to enchant an alexandrite dagger easily enough, barring bad luck.

Silver: 6315
>pre 925
You trace a series of glowing runes while chanting the phrase for Enchant Item...
>cast on my dagger
You gesture at an alexandrite dagger.
A muted glow instantly surrounds the alexandrite dagger, flickering slightly, and fades a moment later.

Assuming an alexandrite dagger can be tempered somehow...Unless you are horribly unlucky, you should have no trouble enchanting an alexandrite dagger.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.


Solve for enchant difficulty X:
-19 to -14 Enchant Difficulty: X
Material penalty: 500
Encumbrance Penalty: 18 --> 2*(6315-2959)/372.8
Success %: 100


X = 779 - 500 - 18 - 100 = 161


-- Robert aka Faulkil

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Agreed.

Doug

I'm not comfortable with the current HCP value of 80 but I did do the math based on your numbers provided:

Enchant Formula =
42 Level
26 AUR bonus
25 LOG bonus
18 INT bonus
84+31+7 = 122 Wizard Base ranks (see note 1)
12 trunc(MjE ranks/2)
12 trunc(MnE ranks/2)
22 trunc(MIU ranks/4)
22 trunc(AS ranks/4)
44 trunc(EMC ranks/2)
+15 Material Difficulty
-296 Enchant Penalty
60 Workshop Bonus (see note 2)
20 Familiar Bonus (see note 3)
0 Other Penalties (see note 4)

Subtotal = 144

?? HCP
?? Anfelt
+ d100 roll

So I agree with your expected range IF HCP is a value of -80. I would be surprised if Anfelt scripts added to the difficulty but I haven't done any testing on this either.

I plan on doing some additional testing on HCP (and some lighter damage padding) when the next annual fixskills rolls around.

Just to double check, are you sure you didn't have any ensorcelling or other properties on the armor?

-- Robert aka Faulkil

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

If you collect the daily login rewards at all you might consider using an enhancive boost to your stats to see if that improves your chances (let's you know if you are close or not).

-- Robert

Due to the volatile atmosphere, random bolts of lightning can intermittently be seen streaking through the skyline.

Numbers taken off node, without a famaliar, 0% encumbrance, no wounds/spirit loss
First column is my based expected ER which was calculated as 64 from my prior post minus 20 for no famaliar, minus 60 for not being in a workshop, minus 40 for being off node.
Bolded cells are differences from the baseline in column 1.

Sample	1	2	3	4	5
Level	42	42	42	42	42
Aura bonus	26	28	28	26	27
Logic bonus	25	25	25	27	25
Intuition bonus	18	18	18	18	18
Wizard base ranks	70	70	70	70	70
Major Elemental ranks	25	25	25	25	25
Minor Elemental ranks	25	25	25	25	25
MIU ranks	88	92	90	92	92
AS ranks	88	88	88	88	88
EMC ranks	88	88	88	88	88
Reading	Beyond	Miracle	Beyond	Beyond	Beyond
Expected rating	-56	-53	-54	-53	-54
Guess at actual	-103	-100	-101	-100??	-101

Since I initially used the -80 for HCP, it looks more like -127 instead. Column 4 indicates aura is worth more than logic in the formula so I could be off a bit.
I think I have a +3 LOG bonus I can add to this later to compare more. Otherwise, I'll drop his MIU ranks.
HCP in this case is 10 points of padding. I mention since I realized I also have a 9 point set I can try later to compare how those vary.

Question, in playing with the results, for encumbrance, I'm only seeing differences in reading when the encumbrance level changes (i.e. the text when you type "encumbrance") not as I change weight within each level. Does that match what you were seeing? The original formulate made me expect I could vary in 1% encumbrance increments (which would make this a lot easier to narrow down).