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I was wondering if it's possible to institute a time delay between when you pick up one katana and order the next. Several people pick up their Katana and immediately get another one commissioned before anyone else has a change to start one. At this rate the first 5 people can abuse the system indefinitely.
Russ
RUSS
FIDGETY
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 01:26 AM CDT
I just want to put my two silvers in and agree that it really spoils the fun factor of doing any of this when you have people abusing it. I do believe there should be a wait time for people to reorder and I doubt it would be difficult to slip into the coding at all. Work your GMly magics! ::waggle waggle::
Signed Hopefully,
Owner of a bonifide 2 handed user who only wants ONE katana
Signed Hopefully,
Owner of a bonifide 2 handed user who only wants ONE katana
MABEY
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 02:03 AM CDT
Just thought I'd chime in to agree with the general sentiment that there ought to be a nice, long wait between orders from that smith.
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BOGARRAGOB
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 02:22 AM CDT
While I do agree there should be a wait time or something involved, its just going to be something that will die down. Eventually that person will find no use for all these katana's he has. No body will buy them for a huge mark up.
Its just because its new. Like the truffles, its a lot easier now to get them then the first night. I'm sure people are still camping. But its a lot easier.
Just wait its still new.
but one thing I don't agree with is people saying that the person is abusing it. As you can't really abuse something if its working as intended. They aren't abusing the system to get them more katana's then they should. They are simple using it, as the system was created.
So abuse is too stronger of a word. Nor should any ill will towards that player occur, as it could be how their character acts.
Nor should your character carry ill-will across especially if you heard he has no use for them ooc'lly by an out of game source.
<-- Now if he was using some bug, then yes that would be abuse, but what he's doing isn't. He (assuming its a he) is using the system as it was coded.
~Jeff
~Aim: Hakwea
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him." --Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine, AFC 54
Its just because its new. Like the truffles, its a lot easier now to get them then the first night. I'm sure people are still camping. But its a lot easier.
Just wait its still new.
but one thing I don't agree with is people saying that the person is abusing it. As you can't really abuse something if its working as intended. They aren't abusing the system to get them more katana's then they should. They are simple using it, as the system was created.
So abuse is too stronger of a word. Nor should any ill will towards that player occur, as it could be how their character acts.
Nor should your character carry ill-will across especially if you heard he has no use for them ooc'lly by an out of game source.
<-- Now if he was using some bug, then yes that would be abuse, but what he's doing isn't. He (assuming its a he) is using the system as it was coded.
~Jeff
~Aim: Hakwea
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him." --Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine, AFC 54
NICCOLO
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 08:10 AM CDT
Since the system was obviously designed to limit the influx of katanas, I somehow doubt it was the intention of the GM to limit that influx to a handful of players who could, indefinitely, reorder katanas making themselves the sole suppliers. So your argument doesn't hold much water. That's like saying that the CM bug was intended (up until the point it was corrected), and players getting those extra skills wasn't abuse.
JEFFTJ
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 09:22 AM CDT
>So abuse is too stronger of a word. Nor should any ill will towards that player occur, as it could be how their character acts.
>Nor should your character carry ill-will across especially if you heard he has no use for them ooc'lly by an out of game source.
<-- Now if he was using some bug, then yes that would be abuse, but what he's doing isn't. He (assuming its a he) is using the system as it was coded.
How dare you justify the actions of a few selfish rats. A lack of morality-enforcing mechanics is not a license to act the way they have. By justifying their actions, you prove your morals are as bad as theirs, if you're not one of the guilty yourself.
This situation really irks me and I could care less about the Erithian weapons since I mainly play a wizard. I can't even imagine the disgust of the players who really want one.
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>Nor should your character carry ill-will across especially if you heard he has no use for them ooc'lly by an out of game source.
<-- Now if he was using some bug, then yes that would be abuse, but what he's doing isn't. He (assuming its a he) is using the system as it was coded.
How dare you justify the actions of a few selfish rats. A lack of morality-enforcing mechanics is not a license to act the way they have. By justifying their actions, you prove your morals are as bad as theirs, if you're not one of the guilty yourself.
This situation really irks me and I could care less about the Erithian weapons since I mainly play a wizard. I can't even imagine the disgust of the players who really want one.
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KRISTENL
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 09:25 AM CDT
>A lack of morality-enforcing mechanics is not a license to act the way they have.
Bingo.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Consideration for others isn't that hard a concept to grasp.
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Bingo.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Consideration for others isn't that hard a concept to grasp.
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NEONSERAPH
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 09:52 AM CDT
So has it been confirmed that these "off the shelf" katanas are 4x with the crit weighting?
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TSORAN
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 09:58 AM CDT
>Now if he was using some bug, then yes that would be abuse, but what he's doing isn't. He (assuming its a he) is using the system as it was coded.
Not all bugs are bugs in code. 'Working as intended' is not the same thing as 'working as designed'. The merchant is undoubtedly working as it was designed, but it's definitely not working as intended.
Bugs can exist in the code. Bugs can also exist in the design, in which case the code is correct, but since the design is wrong, the code, although doing what it is supposed to, is still producing wrong results. Bugs can also exist in the requirements, in which case both the code and the design can be correct, yet you still get the wrong results.
This is a case where the code is correct as per the design, but the design has a bug, which is open to abuse.
No rational person would believe that the intent of the design was to permit small numbers of players to monopolize the merchant. Since that is possible, it's a flaw in the design, and anyone who is exploiting it is abusing a bug.
Last time I looked at policy, that's grounds for lockout, or at the very least losing what you gained from the exploit.
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Not all bugs are bugs in code. 'Working as intended' is not the same thing as 'working as designed'. The merchant is undoubtedly working as it was designed, but it's definitely not working as intended.
Bugs can exist in the code. Bugs can also exist in the design, in which case the code is correct, but since the design is wrong, the code, although doing what it is supposed to, is still producing wrong results. Bugs can also exist in the requirements, in which case both the code and the design can be correct, yet you still get the wrong results.
This is a case where the code is correct as per the design, but the design has a bug, which is open to abuse.
No rational person would believe that the intent of the design was to permit small numbers of players to monopolize the merchant. Since that is possible, it's a flaw in the design, and anyone who is exploiting it is abusing a bug.
Last time I looked at policy, that's grounds for lockout, or at the very least losing what you gained from the exploit.
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SIMU-JOSH
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 10:09 AM CDT
Crit-weighting is as inherent to katanas as it is to claidhmores.
-Josh
-Josh
MAGRUDERC1
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 10:49 AM CDT
And some limiter from allowing the same people to order katanas over and over should be in place.
-Conan
-Conan
SILDUS
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 11:03 AM CDT
<<I still would like to hear the reasoning behind allowing a virtually limitless supply of heavily crit weighted enchanted weapons with breakage unimplemented. - Jay>>
A year ago, I would have been right there with you. In playing my warrior (who uses a heavily crit weighted falchion and scimitar), I don't notice the weapons as being nearly as powerful as they were before the crit randomization.
It feels (at least to me) a lot closer to using a flaring weapon now - sometimes you don't notice anything special; sometimes you cut the critter in half.
Geof
PS. Aside from the creatures that can only be hit by magical weapons, what is the difference between a +20 katana (in the +12 crit weighting range) and a +0 claidhmore (in the +40 crit weighting range)?
A year ago, I would have been right there with you. In playing my warrior (who uses a heavily crit weighted falchion and scimitar), I don't notice the weapons as being nearly as powerful as they were before the crit randomization.
It feels (at least to me) a lot closer to using a flaring weapon now - sometimes you don't notice anything special; sometimes you cut the critter in half.
Geof
PS. Aside from the creatures that can only be hit by magical weapons, what is the difference between a +20 katana (in the +12 crit weighting range) and a +0 claidhmore (in the +40 crit weighting range)?
LADYAVAIA
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 11:29 AM CDT
> Consideration for others isn't that hard a concept to grasp.
If only that were true.....
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MUSCIANESI
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 12:25 PM CDT
>Crit-weighting is as inherent to katanas as it is to claidhmores.
>-Josh
Hmmm, there are examples of non-weighted claidhs out there. Such as the dull claidhs carried by hobgoblins west of the boulder. Not sure how to interpret your statement.
Personally, I would like to be able to get ahold of the weapon base (dfs and rt) of the katana in a blessable format. I wouldnt mind if you called it something else.
Landrion/Katryn
>-Josh
Hmmm, there are examples of non-weighted claidhs out there. Such as the dull claidhs carried by hobgoblins west of the boulder. Not sure how to interpret your statement.
Personally, I would like to be able to get ahold of the weapon base (dfs and rt) of the katana in a blessable format. I wouldnt mind if you called it something else.
Landrion/Katryn
CFELCH
MUSCIANESI
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/03/2004 12:52 PM CDT
>dull claids are weighted, just not as much
::Ponders:: Wow, never realized that. Ill have to go assess one sometime and see how much.
Landrion/Katryn
::Ponders:: Wow, never realized that. Ill have to go assess one sometime and see how much.
Landrion/Katryn
MOOREJW
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/04/2004 01:03 PM CDT
A Gamemaster referred me here to post my "thoughts" on the Erithian Weaponsmith.
Firstly, to say what these people have not been abusing this new system is the biggest load I think I have heard so in a long time. The exploitation of most bugs never BREAK code. People use the existing structure of the code to do something it is not "intended" to do. Do not say the merchant is working as intended. Its not.
Secondly, the flimsy argument of "maybe it's how their character acts" is the second largest load I have heard. If it were a real swordsmith with a real group of people waiting for real services, the guy trying to order the second sword in a row would be lynched along with the weaponsmith. Roleplay is not an excuse for their bad behavior/ethics.
Yes, I said bad ethics. Whomever has been ordering multiple copies of these weapons are people who could give a crap or not whether anyone else around them is enjoying their playtime here. The PLAYERS obviously dont care much about other players, and obviously do not take RP seriously (no more weak rp excuses please).
Please stop trying to defend these people who have made others experience in the game the past week unpleasant. I know they have made MY experience unpleasant. Making excuses for them makes me think two things. You are either one of the exploiting pieces of trash, or you WANT to be one of the exploiting pieces of trash.
Finally. Whichever GM coded this TRAINWRECK of a merchant system... please fix it. Please make it fair. Please do it quickly. I have one THW user and I want one katana to USE. I do not want to resale or "hook" my friends up. They can wait their bloody turn like everyone else.
Jaernal Formasantos/Jeff
Firstly, to say what these people have not been abusing this new system is the biggest load I think I have heard so in a long time. The exploitation of most bugs never BREAK code. People use the existing structure of the code to do something it is not "intended" to do. Do not say the merchant is working as intended. Its not.
Secondly, the flimsy argument of "maybe it's how their character acts" is the second largest load I have heard. If it were a real swordsmith with a real group of people waiting for real services, the guy trying to order the second sword in a row would be lynched along with the weaponsmith. Roleplay is not an excuse for their bad behavior/ethics.
Yes, I said bad ethics. Whomever has been ordering multiple copies of these weapons are people who could give a crap or not whether anyone else around them is enjoying their playtime here. The PLAYERS obviously dont care much about other players, and obviously do not take RP seriously (no more weak rp excuses please).
Please stop trying to defend these people who have made others experience in the game the past week unpleasant. I know they have made MY experience unpleasant. Making excuses for them makes me think two things. You are either one of the exploiting pieces of trash, or you WANT to be one of the exploiting pieces of trash.
Finally. Whichever GM coded this TRAINWRECK of a merchant system... please fix it. Please make it fair. Please do it quickly. I have one THW user and I want one katana to USE. I do not want to resale or "hook" my friends up. They can wait their bloody turn like everyone else.
Jaernal Formasantos/Jeff
MOOREJW
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/04/2004 02:05 PM CDT
Upon reflection and rereading... I may have come on a little strong. I am not trying to offend anyone. :-)
I apologize if my previous posts have been a bit harsh. I am very upset about this whole thing. I just want it fixed as soon as possible.
Jaernal Formasantos
REHOD
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/04/2004 03:10 PM CDT
Not to beat a dead horse or anything.... but I wish GMs would quit referring players to the boards when they have problems, the majority of the time GMs don't even respond in the boards and if they do it is an unbelievable long time AFTER the issue began. GMs, show some iniative instead of dismissing us and referring us to the message boards. And GMs if the problem isn't "your field" then how about YOU leave a message for the GM in charge of that particular system instead of having us players post the problem in the message boards and hope by some chance the GM who needs the information sees it... it shouldn't be our responsibilty, you are the ones operating this game for a reason, aren't you?
BOGARRAGOB
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/06/2004 08:22 PM CDT
How dare you justify the actions of a few selfish rats. A lack of morality-enforcing mechanics is not a license to act the way they have. By justifying their actions, you prove your morals are as bad as theirs, if you're not one of the guilty yourself.
This situation really irks me and I could care less about the Erithian weapons since I mainly play a wizard. I can't even imagine the disgust of the players who really want one.
Sparat
How dare you judge them.......
My morals are mine. They aren't influcend by your opinion.
But judging them and me like that shows that you are just as bad in my opinion.
They aren't abusing it, if you wish to complain do it, but at least use terminology that makes sense.
~Jeff
~Aim: Hakwea
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him." --Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine, AFC 54
This situation really irks me and I could care less about the Erithian weapons since I mainly play a wizard. I can't even imagine the disgust of the players who really want one.
Sparat
How dare you judge them.......
My morals are mine. They aren't influcend by your opinion.
But judging them and me like that shows that you are just as bad in my opinion.
They aren't abusing it, if you wish to complain do it, but at least use terminology that makes sense.
~Jeff
~Aim: Hakwea
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him." --Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine, AFC 54
RUSS
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/06/2004 10:17 PM CDT
>They aren't abusing it, if you wish to complain do it, but at least use terminology that makes sense.
Thats what those people who decided to make a ton of ranger inbedded rods and sell them to the pawnshop thought too. All but 2 of those people recieved perm lockouts. 1 of those was locked out and re-instated at a later date.
It's an abuse against the intent. Or do you really think it was intended that 5 people be the only people in the lands who were able to get enchanted Katana's? If you think that then there isnt much for us to debate.
It may be allowable from a mechanics perspective, but then again so is using warrior guild skills to disarm people and steal their weapons.
Russ
"Who is John Galt?"
Thats what those people who decided to make a ton of ranger inbedded rods and sell them to the pawnshop thought too. All but 2 of those people recieved perm lockouts. 1 of those was locked out and re-instated at a later date.
It's an abuse against the intent. Or do you really think it was intended that 5 people be the only people in the lands who were able to get enchanted Katana's? If you think that then there isnt much for us to debate.
It may be allowable from a mechanics perspective, but then again so is using warrior guild skills to disarm people and steal their weapons.
Russ
"Who is John Galt?"
JEFFTJ
Re: ERITHIAN WEAPONSMITH
09/07/2004 09:19 AM CDT
>My morals are mine. They aren't influcend by your opinion.
You missed the point. Anyway, you're obviously trolling in this folder so I'll just ignore your posts. Here's a definition in case you feel I'm using terminology that doesn't makes sense...again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
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You missed the point. Anyway, you're obviously trolling in this folder so I'll just ignore your posts. Here's a definition in case you feel I'm using terminology that doesn't makes sense...again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Sparat
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