Ok so we're told we're not Cookie cutter types... lets test it.
Note: I think the reqs are urm.. Not good... even though adding in Skinning, FA wouldn't really help me.

Using(http://www.lucerella.com/krinahd/SkillSort.html)
And one of you enterprising Young Number crunchers can total up everyones posts and lets see what skills are where and how much of a mold we fit or break.


Stealing:
Hiding:
Perception:
Stalking:
Disarm Traps:
Lockpicking:
Evasion:
Backstab:
Skinning:
First Aid:
Climbing:
Swimming:
Foraging:
Escaping:



Dwidus

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If you want someone to hate -- hate me. At the time Damissak and Vendarin were on leave and Maelona wanted to move forward with the thief requirements. As Damissak's assistant it fell to me. When Damissak returned he made one last tweak and it was done.

There are a few reasons things are setup the way they are. I'll list two.

1) There was a desire to move away from "averages." Rather than forcing an average and have every survival skill required [at higher levels this becomes more significant] we narrowed the focus to the skills we thought were pertinent to being a thief. While foraging, skinning, swimming, etc. may augment your character they're not necessary to being a thief. As Risek stated it came down to, "Does Kalag care if you can swim across the river?" The intent was not to demish your survival primary status but to focus on things thief leadership [Kalag, etc.] cared most about. In my discussions with Maelona we stated this was not to be an exclusionary method. A good example of this is your bonus to foraging in urban areas. While foraging is not required you do receive perks where relevant.

2) The flexibility is in your ability to tier what you train. If you enjoy stealing -- make it your top survival. If you enjoy combat make evasion and backstab your top survival. In coming to the decision on the numbers I felt like things people naturally enjoyed doing would "float" to the top of their list. In time people would be working with a template they found much more enjoyable. I personally know some thieves who have moved stealing down to their bottom survival. As you advance, the difference becomes significant.


I know there are some complaints about escaping. It's not impossible to train escaping. I look at it more as an "access" thing. There are certain areas/creatures in the game that train escaping very well. Maelona tasked me with coming up with some escaping ideas and getting those into the game. You'll see the first incarnation of that sometime after the freeze. I also have a couple more ideas on the plate. I know advanced thieves may have a hard time using escaping as a circle requirement but it is a viable option for new players -- we must look ahead.

/salute

-Ssra

Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Evasion
Disarm
Lockpicking
Backstab
Steal

Than: (about a 70 rank gap from steal to foraging)
Foraging
First Aide
Skinning
Climbing (9)
Swiming
Escaping (10)



Yamcer

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>Ye find yeself in yon dungeon. Ye see a FLASK.
Obvious exists are NORTH, SOUTH, and DENNIS

What wouldst thou deau?
>

My Top 10
~~*~*~*~*~~
Hiding
Sstalking
Evasion
Killing
Killing some more
Stealing
Disarming bra clasp
Drinking
Chuggin
Being anoying

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !

Stalking
Hiding
Backstab
Perception
Disarm Traps
Evasion
Lockpicking
Skinning
Stealing
Climbing
Swimming
First Aid
Foraging
Escaping

And climbing is about to surpass stealing.

---

Blue Fire

you know I seen lots of you with evasion at #8 position. Just seemed odd to me but I thought some worked it more, I guess were all different there. I was semi depressed when I let my hide pass mine up around Sep 2003. Till then I always had Evasion highest. Hell I feel like I'm slacking with it 3rd. Keep pondering working it back to top 2 slot status.

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !

yea I try that some but then I go back to stand there let it swing a few times. then your combo. I'ts still there for it. just takes disipline to stand there to let it swing at me a few times.

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !

yeah, i'm not much of a "dancer" either.

i stab things to death. i have atrocious multi. i'm working on it though.


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A scavenger troll arrives, scouring the area.

The scavenger troll exclaims, "I dinks I like da' Moongate!"

The scavenger troll bends over and picks up the Moongate. After appraising it, the troll places the Moongate in its frayed knapsack

Ssra wrote:

>>"Does Kalag care if you can swim across the river?"

he might not no, but um..the guild leader in Shard is the one that teaches us poison, so yeah, I'd say she does in fact care about us learning skinning to know how to skin a viper the right way and knowing how to boil the stew. Same with Scorps....sorry, I'm just stuck on the, " I"m not goin to rangerboy for a bundle of pelts/sacs/tails so I can brew my stew. "

But thats just my opinion, the guild leader in shard teaches us about how to mix the ingredients to the right contengency (SP). So yeah, she'd care how much skinning we have. We have bad skinning, we'll get blood soaked viper sac, or a near ruined scorp tail to crush...etc etc...if its a badly ruined sac, it shouldn't make good stew...etc etc...I hate to be a pain in the rear-end about this....but it just makes no sense to me.....


~Dalkin~


If its got two legs and you hear a thud...don't panic...I just killed another one.

1. Stalking
2. Hiding
3. Backstab
4. Perception
5. Evasion
6. Stealing
7. Swimming
8. Climbing
9. Disarm
10. Skinning
11. Lockpicking
12. First Aid
13. Foraging
14. Escaping

There's mine.

Hawken Armstead, Merchant Prince in training

Hiding:
Stalking:
Backstab:
Lockpicking:
Disarm Traps:
Perception:
Evasion:
Stealing:
Climbing:
First Aid:
Foraging:
Skinning:
Swimming:
Escaping:



"I'm a bad man!"

~ Zinf

<<I hate to be argumentative - but I just don't follow the logic of that statement. Working from back to beginning, boiling the items has little or nothing to do with skinning.

Skinning is the start of the process. you cant cook if you cant skin.

rooftop stealing. You don't need climb to steal now do you. But climbing is the start of getting there to do what you actually do in fact do.

Does anyone want to assume no one in the world can get to a rooftop but a thief? but we do it cause we don't want anyone to know what were doing there. Just like sure anyone could skin, but some want no one to know what there up to either. The arguments or not that different and neither or the relationships.

Hell getting to a rooftop in reality is 1000 times easier than skinning something. but so is owning a shop. you just pay for a lease. or owning a Wagon but not here in DR. OH well our reality is decided by what a GM post once. then people flock to defend that or argue against that or debate both sides.

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !

Hiding
Stealing
Perception
Evasion
Stalking
Climbing
Backstab
Disarm
Lockpicking
Skinning
First Aid
Swimming
Escaping

-Ipkin

Hiding
Perception
Stalking
Backstab
Lockpicking
Disarming
Stealing
Evasion

-Iluminadi

real reason why we can't use skinning to circle?

ranger guild owns skinning.


same reason was made in reverse for why rangers couldn't use lockpicking to circle.

<shrug>

although its my 9th survival anyway, so it doesn't matter.


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A scavenger troll arrives, scouring the area.

The scavenger troll exclaims, "I dinks I like da' Moongate!"

The scavenger troll bends over and picks up the Moongate. After appraising it, the troll places the Moongate in its frayed knapsack

why does one need 8 survival skills that define being a thief why not 4 or 6 and then 2 that define you as a person and make everyone different like all other guilds, that would be a good way to define the guild and then allow freedom

I could see them telling barbs ok you need 8 weapons to circle and you must pick from tese 9 the others dont count


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

Perception
Hiding
Stealing
Stalking
Backstab
Disarm Traps
Lockpicking
Climbing
Evasion

Top 9. Yes, Evasion is dead last and doesn't count in my reqs -- it's 5 behind my Climbing, because I hunt from hiding generally. But I've been learning a lot of it since hiding can't be learned -- gained about 30 ranks since that, I think. And the other, non-counted ones are far behind it. Other things to note:

Hiding and Perception used to be far ahead, in that order -- within 1 of each other. But I've only gained about 2 ranks of hiding since hiding learning was changed. My other skills have caught up, though, and I've gained about 5 circles since (24 to 29), just to give a picture of how unusual that is. My other skills were all about 30 down -- now everything above Disarm is within 9 of Hiding. Now, I'm ahead of my reqs in everything but Climb, Disarm, Lockpicking, and Hiding. Granted, that's 4 of my 8, but the only one that I'm having an immensely difficult time learning is Hiding. I could go run through hunting grounds that I can't handle (I'm progressing equal to reqs in my weapon), but that doesn't seem right to me. And nothing that I can hunt actually teaches me.

I like the new reqs when compared to the old ones -- I'd still be 20th if we were under them. Disarm and Locks still hold me back, but not as much as before. I'm a stalker -- I hunt from the shadows, backstab, and move on. But, I can't learn hiding anymore, aside from shopping runs. And now that I'm paying about a plat a week to cover fines, I'm debating whether or not to let Hiding drop entirely off the charts to number 8, and have Stealing follow it closely, because I can't manageably work either -- I can get stealing learning alright, but I end up doling droves of gold to keep it moving, since there's nothing in my range that I have found that I can sell for lots. And the auto-fails don't help, either.

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"When I think of Gnomes,
I think of those guys who
stole Kyle's underwear on
South Park. DragonRealms
is not South Park, please
delete Gnome characters."

[Pureblade]

>>hmm hiding doesnt seem hard to learn are you ambushing a critter at your level?

Well, yes -- but my Hiding is quite above my weapon skill -- by about 50. So, yes, the critter's on-level with my combats, but not my Hiding/Stalk. It just won't move against things I can survive against, which means I'm essentially not learning Hiding at all until I gain about 50 more ranks of combats. To move Hiding now, I'd literally have to run around a hunting ground, hide, and run away before they could start advancing.

I have no complaints about learning Hide as well as I used to. The only thing I don't like is that it's physically impossible to learn unless I'm hunting something -well- above me -- something that I have no chance of hitting or dodging.

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"When I think of Gnomes,
I think of those guys who
stole Kyle's underwear on
South Park. DragonRealms
is not South Park, please
delete Gnome characters."

[Pureblade]

<<why dont barbs have weapons left off?

<<Left off what? Barbarians don't have a weapon average requirement. Poor example.
-Merdell's player


NO IT'S NOT!

YOu misunderstand

A barb has like 24 weapons to choose from. now lets say by some point in there life they need to know 5 weapons. They can choose those 5 from the intire list of say 24.

They are not told. OK you need 5 weapons but you can only pick from these 7 and oh one of them is sling. OK go forth and be a barb.

We got 13 survivals. we have to choose 8 from a list of 10 and one is escape and really not a option. so we choose 8 from a list of 9!
GET IT I Hope so. when list could be up to 13 (the entire set)

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !

<<Of those 24, we may only choose a possible 22. 2 of the skills, MO and Parry, don't apply to our weapon requirements.
-Merdell's player

OK fine lets play the exact word game. you got the point though you can pick say 5 from over 22. Thats options, thats not the same cookie recepie.

now pick 8 from only 9 and feel the squeeze!

I love my GRITS !

Girls Raised In The South !