I underhunt to learn hiding my weapon is 20 over my hiding lol


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

well then ya cant learn thats like saying im a barb with 0 defense and 200 weapon ranks , and now im mad i cant train weapons without dying, work your weapons they are the easiest skill in the world to train besides magic


Don't fear the dark, fear what hides in it.

Well, my point wasn't that I couldn't learn -well-. My point was that it's rather impossible to learn it in normal actions unless I go against my guild reqs and keep Hiding in my 6th slot or below, and my Evasion above it. Currently, I am -at- the requirements for my top two Survival, above the requirements for my next 3, and -at- the requirement for Weapons. I shouldn't have an entire wall there keeping me from moving Hiding -at all-, just because the small gap between the skills happens to fall across the dividing line (100). I should at least be able to get above Clear after an hour and a half of good, hard backstabbing.

Basically, at the point I'm at, I have no choice in what my reqs are, if I want to learn. To allow my hiding to move, I am not able to learn it (not just train) until circle 37. Why? Because it's my primary survival, and it's above 100. At Circle 37, my primary weapon breaks the 100 rank. So, for 13 circles (25-37, counting 25 as 1), I can't learn hiding, and thus can't keep it in my top 2 Survivals. By that point, hiding actually will have dropped to 6th. It's literally impossible to keep it in my top 2 if I don't want to go out of my way to "train" it.

I've never been all about "training." Learning? Yes. My level progression has been much slower than everyone else's as a result. This was my argument of the mechanics against the new hiding -- it harms passive learners in order to give risks to active learners. That is, it keeps me from happening to learn any hiding whatsoever while hunting, and undergoing regular routines, while still allowing those who wish to "train" to do it. Which is why I really am not all for the new hiding system -- because of caps. Diminished return is one thing -- but absolute caps are harmful. Perhaps some overlap between the creatures in the categories, where the ones in the 50-99 cap teach diminished amounts until 150, which allows one to bring their weapons up. 150 Hiding would allow you to progress to circle 37, the exact circle that one hits the 100 weapons mark.

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>Left off what? Barbarians don't have a weapon average requirement. Poor example.

And we don't have an average survival requirement. You were going somewhere with this?

-Ipkin

whats amusing to me is that,much like the barbarians, my highest weapon is over my evasion. :-)


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this thread lost its purpose and to tell you all the truth this topic should be closed there is A. a coding freeze and B. a GM openness freeze for logic (please dont read as a bash just trying to point out that though you reply alot gets "back burnered" or out-right said "no" too)

hell if you want my opinion on what reqs should be it would be 5 per circle from one to 500 circle in locks,disarm,stealing and hiding and a gen req for all...read "ALL" other survivals but thats cause i can and dont mind training anything in the "13 skill set" read "SET" not read "cut skills into thief and non thief skills set"


"You see, cops don't like me. So, I don't like cops." - Clarence Boticker ,old Detriot crime boss

If you are in the 25-37 range trying to learn hiding as a top survival it is indeed extremely possible. 132 hiding, 90 ME, 102 backstab no injuries, 30 agility 22 disc, and the proper cookies I can hide melee on bawdy swains in Ratha day or night. I can only do this in the tavern, not on the street. With my secondary weapon, LE at 70 ranks I can also kill them but sometimes it takes awhile to hit (after the first shot they usually die quick). As far as defense goes I have under 80 ranks of parry and something like 93 ranks of evasion. This is without a doubt the greatest training spot in that skill range that I have found. I lock everything except evasion with very little efort and pull great boxes out as well. Just use the right cookies with high enough discipline and avoid head wounds. Stay in the tavern. Hell I can hide melee on three swains that way. Hiding locks in 3-4 kills. I would imagine, and plan on, using this area to train hiding to at least 160 which is good enough for 40th circle as your top survival. Use sand sprites for armor/parry/MO/lower weapons, silver leucros for evasion to at least 110, and use the cliffs between tier 1 and 2 for climbing which still locks me at just under 80 ranks. If there were more places like Ratha where I can enjoyable train all of my skills, being a thief would be so damn fun I wouldnt know what to do. I know higher level thieves have a pain trying to learn hiding at level but if you want to learn that skill easily in town up to 40th circle go to Ratha now. For that specific skill range its dead easy and fun too.

I haven't tried Swains, but I'm a bit below your range. 7* LE, 9* BS, 12* Hide, 7* Evasion, 6* Parry, 2* Agility. I'll head out there after a bit, probably. As soon as I get my combats up a smidge more.

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"When I think of Gnomes,
I think of those guys who
stole Kyle's underwear on
South Park. DragonRealms
is not South Park, please
delete Gnome characters."

[Pureblade]