I recently raised some drama (I can be like that) about the policies ruling THUMP after the following incident, log from VEE-REX:

>>Suddenly you see Vieque jump from the walkway, landing on the ground with feet planting stiffly and painfully to the ground. With a grimace of pain, Vieque sits back clumsily.
>>Vieque sings in a tenor voice:
>>"Is raining men!"
>>Vieque stands up.
>>With amazing speed, * strikes Vieque in the throat with the edge of his flattened palm. Vieque clutches his throat, wheezing pathetically.

The OP chose to continue, of course.

>>Vieque glares at *.
>>* slaps Vieque! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!
>>Vieque slaps *! Ooooh, that HAD to hurt!”

While the policy issue was cleared for me, and was discussed until we exhausted the patience of the General Policies' Board Monitor, I am bringing it over because of the debate about what is OOC behavior. My position in the issue (where of course I think I am in the right), was:

>>"The line of the song (where I did not even included the Hallelujah!) was only OOC based on the Player's knowledge, not the character's. For all they knew, I had just came up with that."<<

The position of those that saw my singing that line from a Pop Song as OOC may be resumed as follows:

>>“Thinly veiled OOC remarks are... OOC.”<<

And a little more specific, if extreme:

>>“Singing "It's Raining Men" isn't OOC in the policy way, it's OOC in the player knows what that is and it's jarring and immersion breaking and people who do things like that are being inconsiderate to their fellow players way. It's like when someone talks about a "play" they saw put on by some "famous bards" and then go quoting some popular movie.”<<

So thus were things… and then, tonight, while trying to stow a chain, I typed

“sto cha” and got this gem from the game, which thought sto stood for STOP:

“In the name of love?”

Jarring, I know.

Carlos

Sorry for the double post, but you're also making the assumption that he thumped you for being OCC when it's just as likely that he thumped you for being an annoying, ranting madman. Which is what your character was trying to portray, and thumping would be an entirely appropriate response.

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I really don't understand why you think its OK to be annoying and not okay for people to register said annoyance and act upon it.

If you role play an idiot you probably should expect to be treated like an idiot. In Dragonrealms idiots tend to get thumped or killed.

I don't now where you want to go with this.

- Buuwl

>>The issue I bring to this foulder is: Are all "out of Elanthia" references OOC?

Yes. People's tolerability for it varies.

>>The issue was presented with some quotes for the position that I had acted in an OOC way, my argument against having acted in an OOC manner and finally the humorous way in which the game reacts to a confussing "STOP" command.

You made an OOC reference, despite any argument that it may have been or not been effectively veiled. You know you did. Let it go.

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

OOC is sort-of an eye of the beholder issue. What is to one is probably not to someone else. I didn't see the whole log but from what I've heard, it didn't sound very OOC. Everyone has their own agenda though.

If it's part of your character's RP, I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt you'll get into any trouble for it aside from maybe the executive thump police who're probably just conflict-baiting anyways.

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My character being annoying to another character and paying for it is all part of the game. Character to Character, that is fine.

Being OOC, however, does bother me since this is a RP game and I like the game, I want to play well.
If I am being OOC (which must differ from being perceived as OOC) I, the player, am being annoying to another player.
If someone is incorrectly defining RolePlaying ( For example, within DR, insisting that others must use Ye Olde Elizabethean English when speaking in game), then this would be the place to maybe explain how such a position is not necessarily a part of of DR RolePlaying. That will not stop the Player from using such language, but could help him/her be cooler (as a Player) about other's not using it.

I do not want to bother other players. That is wrong.

This folder is the place were Players can debate, discuss and educate each other about the RolePlaying aspect of DragonRealms.
I have benefited from my posts about PvP Openness for stealing, and from the Policy discussion about THUMP.

Debating and discussing does not have to be about belittling or ridiculing. Specially here were it would not be Vieque ridiculing APU, but Carlos belittling the person that plays APU.
This game has a steep and rich learning curve. Some of the Forum Boards, like this one, are to help players to understand some of the aspects of the game.

Carlos

>If I am being OOC (which must differ from being perceived as OOC)

Here's where I think the vast majority of people disagree with you. Being perceived as OOC, is OOC. You are jarring people out of their IG experience, and that's is OOC behavior.

>If I am being OOC

You sang lyrics to a fairly well known RL song. If you had made up annoying lyrics of your own, it wouldn't have been OOC. If you had made up lyrics that happened to match a song you didn't know about, it would have been less bad since you have an excuse.

What you did, was take something recognizable from the outside world, and bring it in game. That is completely OOC behavior. If you know the reference is from the real world, and it's obvious to others the reference is from the real world, it's OOC.

>I do not want to bother other players. That is wrong.

I find this statement fallacious. You want to RP an annoying person. You want to bother people. If you want to continue playing an annoying character, that's fine, just stay as far away from the border of IC/OOC as possible or people will be annoyed in and out of game, and to a much larger degree.

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There are so many ways to be annoying and remain IC. Singing a pop song from the early 80s is generally going to be viewed as an out of character act. Personally it wouldn't bother me, but it would bother some.

RP settings
1. HEAVY - This setting will indicate that you wish to remain in an environment that is as immersive as possible and you would prefer that even veiled references to things outside of the game's environment and setting or openly discussing things such as mechanics be avoided. This is for people with a strong grasp of the game's lore and setting and for which remaining in-character and actively pursuing events and roleplaying opportunities with others is a top priority.

2. MEDIUM - This setting will indicate that you enjoy roleplaying most of the time and that it is a regular consideration in your interaction with others. This is appropriate for people who guide their interactions with others according to their character's personality, actively pursue in events and participate in roleplaying with others, but still feel comfortable talking about mechanics and ranks or making veiled references to things outside of the game, such as the boards, lag, or IM clients.

3. LIGHT - This setting indicates that you enjoy casual roleplay but do not specifically set out to do so. This is ideal for people willing to interact with others in an in-character fashion and who enjoy socializing from time to time, but whom for participation in events and pursuing roleplay with others is a relatively low priority. This setting is also appropriate for new players who are interested in roleplay but are not familiar with the environment and the game's setting and are unsure of where they currently fit in.

4. NONE (Not Really My Thing) - This setting indicates that you do not actively engage in roleplay nor do you wish for others to attempt to roleplay with you. Note that even those with this flag must respect the game environment and attempt to remain in-genre and avoid discussing blatantly out of character references within the game. This setting is appropriate for people who consider themselves casual gamers who just want to log on and play the game, or who are only interested in training and advancement with little to no in-character socialization.

- Buuwl

>>The issue was presented with some quotes for the position that I had acted in an OOC way, my argument against having acted in an OOC manner and finally the humorous way in which the game reacts to a confussing "STOP" command.

The mechanics of the game are not IC. How you're comparing what you did vs. messaging IG that reflects a message to a player mistyping a command is beyond me.

>stop in

>>In the name of love?

The game is being humorous, but it's being humorous in response to a syntax error made by you, the player. It's not thrusting a message derived from an OOC means into the IC setting in front of a large number of people (not that the amount of people matters). You can't compare the two. Hopefully that helps.

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>>Acevedo-Muno: The issue I bring to this foulder is: Are all "out of Elanthia" references OOC?

Yes, although as we've seen, opinions on what constitutes unacceptably OOC behavior varies from player to player. The "heavy RP" crowd is likely to object to pop culture references (such as quotations from movies, TV shows, songs), even if those references aren't inherently out-of-genre (when viewed in isolation).

In my opinion, if you're saying something that the average player would instantly recognize as a pop culture reference, you're venturing into "unacceptably OOC" territory. If you have to justify your behavior with arguments like, "[it] was only OOC based on the Player's knowledge, not the character's," or "I did not even include the Hallelujah," it's probably OOC.

When it comes to OOC references, it's the player's perspective that matters, not the character's. A character never sees anything as OOC. In extreme cases, he may recognize behavior as absurd, but it would never occur to him to attribute that behavior to another universe (the real world), because his universe is the only universe, and everything that happens is grounded in that universe.

The heavy RP community appreciates that you are willing to take another look at this. (Usually, people who do something OOC just get defensive and dig their heels in.)

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...really? REALLY? You were this close, and you couldn't just call it a Zepplin? I'm ashamed of you. I'm ashamed for you.

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>>I hope I don't fall for the line of becoming a catatonic entity that plays DragonRealms by spending hours watching a computer screen while my character scripts itself to gargantuan levels of skills, circles and dokoras.

Or maybe you can do the above to escape people singing, "It's Raining Men." Also, chicks dig Dokoras. No, really. Ask Traim.

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>>I find myself having my character say "Fuego" before he casts. This is a Dresden Files reference

Or, you know, Spanish.

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

>Ci. But its the holding the staff and using a fire spell then saying "fuego" thats the DF reference, not just the word itself. Hence me saying people probably wouldnt get it.

I'd just assume the dragonrealms population as a whole is well read.

It would be safest just to choose any of the ingame languages for the word fire. It's been awhile since I read DF but fuzzy memory tells me that the series lore says that the focus word can be anything. Dresden chose fuego because it wasn't likely enter his everyday usage except during spellcasting and was merely an aid to conjuring the fire.

With so many languages already built into DR why not take advantage of it?

>>...It's 'si'. And Dresden doesn't use the staff for just fire spells, so it's a bit of a bad refference to begin with. It just makes you look like an anime dude really.

Yes yes. I put c instead of s. It was a typo. As a floridian, I am incapible of saying anything in spanish pretty much except "mi casa es su casa" and the occasional extremely vulgar curse word. And no, Dresden DOESN'T just use the staff for fire spells, but when he DOES use it for fire spells, he says "Fuego" and I only say that when my char is casting fire spells. THus, not an anime thing. And the term is otaku, not anime dude thanks.

And just fyi, most anime doesn't actually HAVE people shouting out their attacks. If thats what you think most anime is, you need to take a closer look at it.

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>>Your Japanese is worse than your Spanish. Otaku doesn't mean 'nerd'. It means, roughly, slavishly obsessed with something. There are otaku for all types of things, from sushi to glasses.

The literal translation is "outsider." Generally associated with stuff like those creepy body-sized hug-pillows yes, but it's a blanket statement referring to someone who sticks out in a society obsessed with conformity, in which a lack of conformity can be extremely shameful.

>In modern Japanese slang, the term otaku is most often equivalent to "geek".[4] However, it can relate to a fan of any particular theme, topic, hobby or any form of entertainment.[5] The term otaku can be applied to both males and females. For example, Reki-jo are female otaku interested in Japanese history. While the word is used abroad to mean a fan of anime and manga who enjoys the anime culture, In Japan, the word can be looked down upon as a term for a person with any obsessive interest.

You said anime dude (which also btw, doesnt mean nerd). I said the proper term was otaku. I was correct. I AM an anime otaku. And it has more than one meaning, as referenced above, not just what you stated. And it originally started out as an honorific.

>Otaku doesn't mean 'nerd'

From the urban dictionary:

>(otaku is also used to refer to a nerd/hacker/programmer).

Before you lecture someone, please fully do your research. And also, I think you are missing the point of the whole "in joke" thing. Just cause it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to me.

And yeah, I am bored too. Not being allowed in justice areas will do that to a person.

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