I'm not Caelumia and really don't appreciate her spreading rumors but...the last time I checked Xand was provided with specific examples and said it wouldn't happen again.

If you're just wondering OOC'ly, yes there was some basis.

I am --- Navak

>It's always easier to marginalize someone's opinion when you start to claim that they're not a "local".

The only reason I brought up Caelumia's "locale" is because she has made a point to profess that she is an Ilithi citizen. Technically? Yes. As a matter of living day in and day out? No.

It is good that Xand was part of the conversation. I trust him implicitly and, if he deems all is alright, I'll assume it is.


Doctor Kerrian Runegazer
Notable of Ilithi

<<Being there at the time, I can only say that it was brought up because immediately after we both arrived, we were told (twice) that "Zoluren people should go home." At that point, I think we may have said hello.

I was there when this happened and thats pretty much how it happened. I didn't understand the instant hostility towards them.




Drevid

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Venic smiles as he sticks his copper bead in one nostril, covers the other one, and exhales forcefully, shooting the bead directly at Drevid!

Ahh I think I misunderstood what you were saying in your earlier post. I think I see now.



Drevid

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Venic smiles as he sticks his copper bead in one nostril, covers the other one, and exhales forcefully, shooting the bead directly at Drevid!

>It is a very sad day when I travel north out of Ilithi with the taste of Ratha in my mouth.

You can put the "equating Shard to Ratha" vitriol to rest, Caelumia.

I will say that I am very disheartened that you, or anyone for that matter, were treated in such a way that they feel Ilithi isn't a place they might ever care to go back to. Fortunately, for those involved, it seems to have been taken care of.


Doctor Kerrian Runegazer
Notable of Ilithi

Like Xelten and Elanthia?

I am --- Navak

Perhaps where there are less numbers the few are more recognized for better or for worse.


~ Leissl and $0.02

'When someone pushes your buttons, you're acknowledging what you have disowned.' -Dr. John Martini

>I suspect an apology to Cael is in order for that finger pointing you did.

I made it clear that I felt badly that she and anyone else was treated poorly to the extent they don't feel welcome in Ilithi.

Don't you find it more than a bit ironic that everyone who thinks that people shouldn't be so disparaging toward others are quicker than lightning to lambast the entire city of Ratha?

Doctor Kerrian Runegazer
Notable of Ilithi

I called her out to provide details. She did so. I'm not going to apologize for asking someone to explain themselves.

She more than adequately did so. She has not posted anymore, I suggest you follow her lead.


Doctor Kerrian Runegazer
Notable of Ilithi

Well Cael has a poor rep and the only one to blame for that is well herself. There are always repercussions for actions even when people do not always wish to own up to them.

While Ysselt and Alrina do deserve an apology in my opinion, and Alrina received one that night when she encountered Aleyden. Using 3 people as a clear representation for the whole of Ilithi is probably poor judgment.

Cael's rep as a troublemaker is pretty well known, the fact she's killed people in crossings numerous times is well noted among most people. The fact she seeks our a known sorcerer often and keeps company with one doesn't look well upon her. To be honest she is a ilithi citizien because she pays taxes, yet whens he spends her time causing trouble in Zoluren. Who exactly would claim her or even respect anything she says given her background?

Anyways just my thoughts on the situation, can't expect people to be joyous at your arrival when you are widely known for other things, rather than the few good things you do.
"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~

>Maybe, just MAYBE, some folks should take the opportunity to get to know people before basing their judgements off of rumors.

::laughs:: You think I don't know Caelumia? I do, Arwinia. Step away from the dais, dear, you know not of what you speak.

Doctor Kerrian Runegazer
Notable of Ilithi

>>And I noticed you conveniently didn't mention my assertion that you and other people will judge Ratha up one side and down the other but are holier-than-thou when you think someone might have been judged. Hypocrite.

I give Ratha constant opportunities to prove otherwise and see this type of behavior from them on a weekly basis. Keep calling names and acting like a child dear. Soon are you going to threaten to take your ball and go home? Man, you must have a fragile ego if you can't even admit you were wrong to someone you "know".

~Arwinia

Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra

Now was that so hard? You can even have a cookie


~Arwinia

Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra

I really do not like getting my hands dirty but Caelumia admitted herself during the Rose Competition in Shard that she is well known to be pushy and opinionated. I suppose I could find someone who could quote her if I had to. Hopefully it will not lead to that.

Based on her own confessions, I'd say she is well aware of her reputation.


~ Leissl and $0.02

'When someone pushes your buttons, you're acknowledging what you have disowned.' -Dr. John Martini

>>This has nothing to do with the topic at hand

You are entitled to feel that way.

>>if you really want to discuss the interesting events at the Rose Competition then we would have to also discuss how a certain local attempted to buy off the contestants because he didn't feel his wife could win of her own accord.

I am just glad to see your hands are deeper into the dirt than I.

::Takes a rather large step away from the splashing mud::


~ Leissl and $0.02

'When someone pushes your buttons, you're acknowledging what you have disowned.' -Dr. John Martini

>>if you really want to discuss the interesting events at the Rose Competition then we would have to also discuss how a certain local attempted to buy off the contestants because he didn't feel his wife could win of her own accord.

That's incorrect (and if it were correct, it would be OOC, but I wouldn't expect you to actually know what you're talking about), but it is good to hear you prove that the person was actually spreading some lies even if they were not lying about mistreatment.

I find it rather funny that this went from an incident discussed more or less privately within a group of friends to being blown up and publicly discussed and propagated by the very group of people that were attempting to deny what happened and keep it hush-hush.

The blessings of Fate are fickle.

Rather than needlessly address the points of someone who claims to "know" me but has never in my recollection actually met or spoken with me, I'll address the Commander, whose points are actually worth my time to discuss.

>> Using 3 people as a clear representation for the whole of Ilithi is probably poor judgment.

And at no time was this done. I do not come to these conclusions lightly. They are the result of years of observation, and not only regarding how I was treated, but how I have seen others treated as well.

>> Cael's rep as a troublemaker is pretty well known, the fact she's killed people in crossings numerous times is well noted among most people.

I am hardly the only person that has committed murder that takes up residence in Ilithi. I would go so far as to say that most people even in the militia have committed this crime at some point in their lives. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones, if you ask me.

>> The fact she seeks our a known sorcerer often and keeps company with one doesn't look well upon her.

A minor correction here; I did not seek out, I was sought out. I am hardly the only citizen of Ilithi to have cordial discussions with the man I'm sure you're referring to either; Indeed there are militia members and aspiring members of the Court that do the same, yet I am the one singled out for such a 'vile' association.

I'll also point out that since people - not just me - have been engaging in polite and cordial discussions with the Scion there have been no further attacks from him or his fellows on the people of Zoluren or Ilithi. Surely you of all people, Commander, would wish to see a problem resolved without violence and bloodshed whenever possible. The last thing Ilithi needs is more of it.

We'll not go into naming the known sorcerers that the militia has and does associate with or has welcomed into their ranks. Yet as you would not be held accountable for the actions of these other people or their misdoings, you should extend others the same courtesy.

I will state it here as a matter of public record for any who may be unclear: I do not practice sorcery. I actively work to educate people about the dangers of sorcery and the harm it has caused and continues to cause. I can say and do no else. I let my actions, rather than the hearsay and rumors other people circulate, speak for me in this case.

>> To be honest she is a ilithi citizien because she pays taxes, yet whens he spends her time causing trouble in Zoluren.

I am an Ilithi citizen because I am Elven, I am of the Mountain, and Ilithi is where my mother came from. I am an Ilithi citizen because I have served Ilithi for several decades in whatever capacity I was able to. Again, more than I can say for some of those wielding black-bannered vendettas against me.

I still have the pin that was given to me for being a member of the Melyo'i Ilithi and I carry it with me at all times as a reminder. I still recall quite clearly the vows I made to protect and serve Ilithi, its people, the Three, and the Ferdahl. I renewed those vows to Ferdahl Aemmin in person and in front of quite a few of you.

But unsubstantiated rumors and hearsay are often a more powerful force for change and public opinion than a person's actual actions, I suppose.

>> Who exactly would claim her or even respect anything she says given her background?

Many. While I won't (and can't) deny possessing a certain abrasive quality in my personality, I am usually possessing a good (albeit dry) humor and I am usually more than happy to discuss and pass along knowledge that may be useful to other people.

But this counts for nothing I see, since after all...

>> Anyways just my thoughts on the situation, can't expect people to be joyous at your arrival when you are widely known for other things, rather than the few good things you do.

Certainly, but keep in mind that you will not always be able to fall back on "but she's Caelumia!" as an excuse for nasty behavior when I have done nothing to any of you to warrant it.

And while I am loyal as always to the Queen, the Ferdahl, and Ilithi as a whole, my loyalty to its people is waning, precisely because of nastiness and empty justification offered by people who do not know me and often times have never even met me or exchanged more than one or two words with me, but insist I am some kind of villain in utter absence of proof to support such a claim.

Perhaps some of you should try rectifying some of that before casting stones at a person you don't know.

Lennede was very helpful and welcoming when I ran into her on my trip to Shard. Not sure if she holds an official position, but I sure left with a good feeling about the community. Ysselt is seriously one of the nicest people in the realms, hate to hear she caught any static down there.

I can never tell if Cael wants to turn me into soup or not. So far no soup.

~Purehand

Woohoo!


~Purehand

I <3 Cael

- Galren, MIA for a while, Moonskin