1) Gnomes still have to crawl through tunnels. I had to crawl through the one in the keep about a week ago.

2) How many Gor'tog clans are there? I'd love for half a province to be run by us gnomes.

3) Tog Ball

4. Tarupamki

There's a room in the Theren Keep dungeons that only a halfling (I'm assuming that Prydaens are "normal-sized" or otherwise not specifically targetted, and I didn't check with a gnome) can get into. Everyone else, even when kneeling, gets a too-big message that prevents entry. This room is decidedly pointless to the greater area (one of the puzzle doors is in there, but you can use the tunnels to bypass it), but it does open up a shortcut that the bigger races can't.

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Elves have a charisma bonus and a discipline penalty, and don't get innate super-brawling-weapons-of-death.

Just saying.


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Don't know about you folks, but I didn't pick my race to min/max stats. If I did, I wouldn't have chosen an Elf with a penalty to discipline. The charisma boost is nice though.

I think the big penalty to Prydaens is having to deal with other Prydaens who completely shrug off the culture and just want to tickle people with their fuzzy wuzzy tails.

Just saying.


~ Terra

>Funny, neither do Prydaens. Say what you like about the claw bonus, but it isn't nearly as large as many make it out to be. The bonus is certainly noticable. However, between brawling weapons and the bonus provided by armors, most any player can achieve similiar if not superior damage improvement on common brawling attacks. Is there a bonus? Yes. But it doesn't qualify as "super-brawling-weapons-of-death" and the hyperbole doesn't do much to further a discussion of what bonuses the various races could have.

Do brawling weapons that boost CLAW attacks exist? Because prydaens can use all of the rest of the items you mentioned.

Would knuckles or perhaps some plate gauntlets boost claw-based attacks? I've noticed my characters with those tend to have very mean right hooks.


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No, as far as I've been able to determine gauntlets and knuckles give no boost to claw or gouge. I haven't done any really formal tests (with logs and such) but I did do a few informal comparisons (since my Prydaen wears plate) and didn't find a noticeable difference in claw/gouge.

The general rule for brawling bonuses is that the bonuses show up in combat messaging. For armor/brawling weapons, this messaging shows up in attacks like punch ("you punch your plate-clad fist at <target>" or "you punch your spiked knuckles at <target>" instead of "you punch your fist at <target>") but does NOT show in claw/gouge.

If you play a non-prydaen, you see "You claw/gouge your fingers at <target>". If you play a Prydaen, you see "You claw/gouge your claws at <target>", indicating the bonus these attacks recieve. I haven't tested with skra/rakash bite, but bite works a bit differently and the same rules may not apply.

That said, even on my Rakash (non-moonskin) claw did significant damage, even approaching plate-boosted punch, and should not be discounted as an option simply because you're not a Prydaen. This is probably especially true at higher levels for characters that train agility/reflex significantly higher than their strength/stamina, since the former supposedly boost claw (and similar attacks) while the latter boost punch (and similar attacks).

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>>There are several hidden advantages and penalties for races.

>roar slash

>>roar slash

When roars are redone, there will be ZERO factoring of height into the ability.


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>>When roars are redone, there will be ZERO factoring of height into the ability.

Huh... You know, when you confirmed for me that my Tog would probably be better at some roars than my Halfling, I thought it was just a matter of average stat setups between the races. Never even crossed my mind that there would just be a blatant "stick it to the little guys" clause in the code.

Thanks in advance to any/all GMs involved in fixing this stuff and/or leveling the playing fields.

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>>Except there is no learning penalty.

It's an indirect one. Wisdom and Intelligence are the penalty stats for gor'togs, and wisdom and intelligence both factor into mindstate pools. Ergo, as the normal tog is likely to have less they won't drain as fast.

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>>So far, dwarves, gnomes, and halflings are pretty heavily penalized almost everywhere a racial adjustment is involved. That needs to change.

Dart, I love you!

Meli

Damn it. Stop taking away my excuses to complain. :P

What an interesting twist to the thread.

>So far, dwarves, gnomes, and halflings are pretty heavily penalized almost everywhere a racial adjustment is involved. That needs to change.

Thank you sir.

>>Except there is no learning penalty.

>It's an indirect one. Wisdom and Intelligence are the penalty stats for gor'togs, and wisdom and intelligence both factor into mindstate pools. Ergo, as the normal tog is likely to have less they won't drain as fast.

Yes, but this has absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about. All races have balanced training costs overall. We're talking about imbalances.

>>I'm guessing he meant stamina/fatigue. Not sure exactly what endo means either.

spirit?

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Thanks Z.

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>No no no, the racial penalties make sense! The little guys have low vitality 'cause their wee little bodies have less blood to lose, and they recover endurance slower 'cause they have to jump around all the time to do anything (reach something on a shelf, decpitate a critter bigger than a rat, etc), and they have a climbing penalty 'cause they can't reach handholds more than a foot apart!

True. And gnomes should naturally be very difficult to hit with an arrow as well. I'd take that trade-off.

<<True. And gnomes should naturally be very difficult to hit with an arrow as well. I'd take that trade-off.>>

Yes, but they should be easily puntable by taller races.

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