Seems to be that holy weapons would get a heck of a lot more use if one of two things happen
1. one time only part is removed
2. recharging could be done by the paladin anywhere with sufficient mana


with all the changes going on I know this is on the very bottom of some tall pile, but one day i hope it's fixed, or just removed completely


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It wont heal if you dont stop picking at it.

Add me to this list, too. Please GMs, remember that there are some things outside of the Player's control that still hold sway in this matter.

I'm still highly annoyed that the changes to agility in combat were made 2 or 3 weeks after the Holy Weapon quest was released. I chose an SCC axe, because it seemed to make the most sense to me, but now my dismally balanced axe would be a pretty crappy choice, imho, but its my "one and only".

In any case, I get a good Holy Weapon made all but useless, and I have no recourse. Honestly, I can't get across how bitter I am with this. I do my best to make a good and wise decision, and "Suprise, Sucker! We're jerkin this rug right out from under you, and nuttin you can do about it. Hope you enjoyed the quest."

I can't believe that this is the only way one might get shafted in this matter, too. Yes, I do feel like I got screwed here.

Humm Breaux

Prydaen Refugee Freedom Fighter.

Add me.
-Towerlocke.

Does anyone even use their holy weapons on a regular basis? It would suck for our GM's to actually work so hard on something that is not used at all.

Ecoles
"Us loners gotta stay together"

I see the biggest challenges to using a Holy Weapon is the one-time only deal and the fact that it goes dead when it runs out of power. If a paladin does use their holy weapon they run the risk of it dying (by punishing the wicked... anyone else see a problem with that? Do holy weapons get shock or something?) and because of the one-time only clause they can not restore it. Also, if a paladin dies, lags, gets booted, or something similar and loses his holy sword (because the bond only keeps other people from picking it up instead of it flying into the paladin's hand) he can not replace it.

Frankly, the reasons paladins never use their holy weapons are the GMs' own doing.

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<<I am in agreement with almost everything said about the huge downside to the holy weapon being one time, and being a pain in the arse to charge.
I know that there is work in progress to bring more recharging areas, but from what has been said about that, it's too few, too late.
Perhaps someone from on high could give us alittle hope that holy weapons are somewhere on the back back back burner for being looked at and tweaked? Or at the very least holy weapon charging stations will be opened soon?
I know the GM's are busy with lots of other stuffs, but I'm starting to look at holy weapons as our last guild defining ability (since lead was gutted for very sound reasons), and it's hard to justify that the one thing that is truly "paladin" is so hard to keep going and impossible to replace when it's broken

I'm really just looking for a small ray of hope, it's all i expect these days and all i really need in this situation.>>

Has anybody ever told you you're a really negative person? Thinking about to a few posts of yours, you sound like a frothy flap-mouthed harpy, not a Paladin! I've heard you say a few times that lead is skewered. Well, get with it, man. Instead of looking for a small ray of hope, let's make a big one. It's one thing to hope, but you can set things in motion with your words, and if you are motivated enough, have the will to motivate others. That's what this thread is about. Realizing a problem with the guild, unifying our voice, and making things happen to better the guild. Our GMs are great, and they will go to great lengths to improve our guild. You truly are gonna get what you put in, and if you feel dissatisfied with something, don't just accept it. Do something about it. Lead, holy weapon, it doesn't matter. Never settle for less.


Yoda says:
''Do or do not, there is no try.''

I'm sorry if this post comes across as a personal attack, it's not what's intended. I just know that you cannot be the type of person that just accepts what's handed to you.
-Towerlocke.

<<but I have been around just long enough to know that there are times and places to take a firm stand and demand swift action... this is not one of those times.>>

I think the names associated with this stance speak for themselves. You have many well known, respected paladins who are stating simple facts: 1. They don't use their holy weapon because of its one-time nature, 2. The ability to recharge the holy weapon should be easier (i.e. cleric recharging), 3. The benefits attributable to the holy weapon are very little when compared to its one-time nature.

Certaintly we are not bashing anyone, nor are we jumping up and down screaming mad. These are simply the facts as we have each stated them, and we would like those changed. It may happen, it may not, but many well respected paladins have decided that they should speak up.

Madigan, of Therengia

<<Perhaps someone from on high could give us alittle hope that holy weapons are somewhere on the back back back burner for being looked at and tweaked? Or at the very least holy weapon charging stations will be opened soon?>>

Absolutely, nothing has changed from the time we addressed this at the meeting. New recharge sites are a priority.

So how back on the burner are holy weapons in general? It's really difficult to say. I think that after Hot Summer Nights, we'll have a better idea. Right now, Roderigo is trying to finish stuff for that.

~Maece

Add me to the list.. I'm getting closer to being able to do the quest, but don't see a real point to it currently.

Johat,

Interesting ideas. I'm not sure your suggestion of having the "Holy Power" run through any weapon held by the Paladin at the cost of soul state would be acceptable by the Cleric Team. That's kind of why our Holy Weapon has the limitations it has.. due to "negotiations" between Raphael as the Paladin Guru and the Cleric Team GMs.

However, if such a change could be negotiated and approved, I'd ask for one change. In addition to this "power" being able to be activated and turned off at will by the Paladin, I'd say make it be powered by the soul POOL, not the soul STATE. Lowering the soul STATE affects so many other things that make us Paladins, that it would still be too costly for anyone to willingly use.

Your idea DOES have the advantage of allowing a Paladin to change weapons at anytime and channel the Holy Power through it, which I like. And being powered by the soul pool means that few would use it on a day to day basis during "normal hunting" which seems appropriate.

Redarch

From a RP perspective I see no issue with holy weapon being a one-time only gift from the gods.

From a game mechanics point of view it sucks.

How can we compromise the two?

Big as Pebbles, Strong as Talc, Smarter than you, I am - Lennon's Bulldog

Redarch,

Thanks for your replies. I'm not overly concerned with Holy Weapon myself, as I think that our development focus needs to be elsewhere, but it does seem really limiting for no other reason than because of another guild.

I can see your point about the reversed point of view. A counterpoint to that may be that courage and bless aren't on the same level. Our courage in terms of use and importance to our specific guild is akin to their rejuv. What I'm saying is. It's hard to imagine a Paladin without Courage, but how hard is it to imagine a Cleric without Bless?

My main point of contention is that we share things. It's unavoidable. Clerics and Paladins share similarities, I think these need to be embraced. We're receiving an increased role in dealing with the dead (glyphs, alamhif(sp?) gift, etc), and they obviously have a good array of combat spells and are no slouches when it comes to that aspect. No I'm not saying clerics aren't supposed to be warriors, I'm saying that the Paladin-guild is more warrior-oriented than the cleric guild.

Anyways, to be honest with you, if what I'm suggested be done with bless was done with courage, I wouldn't be too mad. Everyone else still has to come to us for the courage.

Dandon

"Most people don't realize that large pieces of coral, which have been painted brown and attached to the skull by common wood screws, can make a child look like a deer" ~ Jack Handy

>>So I wouldn't say that letting them have Courage would be the same thing as letting us have something like Bless.

No, but the negative reaction of many here WOULD be the same as the negative reaction among the Clerics IS. Which was my point.. not what things would or wouldn't be a fair trade.

Again, as I said originally, I have no firm opinion one way or the other as to if we should or shouldn't have a "bless effect" type option.. just trying to point out that the negative reaction of the Clerics is understandable.

Redarch

,, How many of OUR guild would go ballistic over that? Just a guess, but I'd say there would be a sizeable number. Maybe you wouldn't object, but I know others would. Its kind of the same thing. Bless is theirs. Diluting it by letting ANY others have a piece of it strikes them as a bad idea. I'm not going to say if I agree or disagree, but I do see their point of view.> >>

Conceptually speaking benediction is just this.

Daython

Wow... that would be rare.... considering how the days are only like... 4 hours long... wow... so either we'll have a bunch people suddenly canceling dates saying "Sorry, babe, can't go out tonight, gotta get my HW action on at 6 in the morning" or we'll just have a bunch of paladins complaing (nothing new). Heh. But it's still better than the way it is!


-Don't hate the player, hate the game.

1) Remove the 'never use on the 11' part. The anti-11 thing makes less and less sense as time goes on. There are so many loopholes that are around (with the "Never hurt someone of the 11 Races" in general, this goes beyond holy weapon) that the only way to fix the loopholes are to limit paladins further in what they can do as fighters. And noone wants that.

2) Make the quest repeatable. Allow Paladins a chance to complete it every IG year. This makes sense for a few reasons
A: One-time only things roughly translate to "Noone will be willing to touch them".
B: People get better weapons. What is the uber-weapon for something to be a holy weapon one day may not be the next. One reason I'm hesitant to get Holy Weapon for now is that I never know when that doomsday kertig weapon will fall in my lap. I also don't know if I will ever change from heavy edged to heavy blunt.
C: One weapon won't work for every situation. It would make sense to have backups.

3) More recharge stations. I'm going to flout my igorance on GMing here, but I really don't see why it is taking so long to put one in each guild. I don't blame our GMs for this, because I expect it's more the people over at QC.

Heck, make more ways than just meditating. Make it so a cleric can read the Book of Hodernia/Chadatru, and once the Paladin hears it all, he can trace renew.

4) Don't make the weapon burn out. I don't get how someone can just 'run out' of charges, and never be able to recharge it. It's a sword that is blessed by the gods, not a runestone made by Bob the Mage.

5) Make extra 'minor' bonuses.

A: Like that sword that warns when Zalfung is in danger, make a Paladin's holy weapon react when undead are in in the local area OR when his or her province (registered citizen and such) is in danger.
B: A holy weapon's presense increases the presense of the gods. Give the room a [very] minor boost to holy power. Make it stackable. If a dozen powerful Paladins are standing in the area, holy weapons drawn, then the presense of the gods should be felt. This should be reflected in the fact that holy energy is a manifestation of the gods in the present, past, and future.
C: Let there be light! Let us be able to trace Glyph of Light on a holy weapon to make it glow. Since GoL costs soul juice, let this create a light source, give a large bonus to hitting the evil things in the world, and make shadow-plane creatures STRONGLY dislike being around one.

> I've been mulling over the decision for a while and just get so annoyed with the whole 'one time ever' thing and the 'syntax issues' other paladins have talked about concerning the quest, it makes me just not want to go through the effort

Precisely. That and: "once ever" means "never" for me at this point. And I do so greatly despise the "guess the syntax the designer envisioned when s/he created this quest" games.

Excellent suggestions! (hopefully my support doesn't shoot them in the foot...)

Cheers - Cyllwdd

I lost it. It sucks.

Gad


"Immerse your soul in love." -Thom Yorke

I agree that the charges thing needs to go. I think a lot could be done with holy weapons.. especially with the new kill counting system coming out. The holy weapon could have its own hidden counter for the higher types of undead, and new holy weapon abilities would come as the player hit a certain number of kills of a certain type of undead/spirit. So many ideas have been posted though, all of them good. Everyone agrees that the thing must be changed, as nobody seems to be willing to use something that's once in a lifetime.


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