AFAIK, all Trans spells, CFB, QE, CF, and DEVO.

Don't use those spells to train any of your magics.

Or RoC/RoG for utility. Being a cyclic, they're super duper easy.

>> It seems PHP and CH while hunting are enough to get to DO cap.

No they aren't. Not even close. Even if you're hunting nigh-24/7 you should not be getting enough from maintaining those spells to get anywhere close to the DO cap.

You are doing something else that is both strange and wrong.

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To echo THAYET, I spend about half my time hunting now, as I'm neglecting weapons, and every time I hunt I cast Trans spells. It's also worth reminding that there's a... 5? minute grace period for casting within the same book, so if you cast PHP and CH, you only get DO-dinged once. Also, I harvest or dissect all my critters.

You are doing something bizarre if you're at the DO cap. You'd have to be casting them every 10m or something for hours at end to get there. Are you using Trans spells to train your magics?

If you're putting that kind of mana in, they definitely are lasting more than the grace period.

Are you in combat 24/7? Seriously, DO isn't an issue.

Out of curiosity, why are you spending all that time in combat? Tm can be locked in 15 or 20m, and then there's no reason to have it up for another 45 or so.

Man, I cannot wait to be done with 7th and 8th survival, or whatever. Outdoorsmanship and Athletics, blech.

<<Is this a change that is coming?

It means once they hit the requirements for a given circle they'll stop training it. Circle 200 requirements for 6th and 7th survivals are 1270 and 1020 ranks respectively. Some people stop at 150th requirements, since there's no real benefit to circling past 150th aside from prestige, so those requirements are 620 and 520 respectively.

<<Sorry...not to change the topic. Also, on topic....is Syphon Vitality on the list of DO causing spells?

It is not.

<<And one step further, what exactly does DO do to you aside from occasional death and no deeds?

It is what makes you unable to be aided by empaths and clerics and able to be detected by moon mages, empaths, and clerics. As well as a few other things. The full list is here: https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Outrage#Effects_of_Divine_Outrage

Note that as you increase in circle, up to 100th circle, your minimum DO level increases, so some of those effects eventually become unavoidable.

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So here's the deal on Heavy TM:

As initially conceived it just doesn't work very well - which is a large damage TM spell with a cool down.

Combat mechanics get cranky when you try and just turn the numbers to 11 and the feedback just isn't there to make them feel powerful enough. The solution has been to either approach it from another angle (Beckon the Naga for example) or to add an additional effect. The most common additional effect would be a DoT (Damage over Time), something we've long wanted a core mechanic for, and I wrote a good chunk of the mechanics for that. The problem is that the mechanics don't stand well on their own without the barrier review being finished and when I realized they were going to be vastly more complicated to write and balance than I initially hoped they were pulled from Magic 3.2.

The long term goal is for Blood Boil to let it actually cause some horrific burning-type damage so it actually feels like a Heavy TM spell. Dragon's Breath is also slated for a similar mechanic, but it works okay as it is so we didn't pull the conversion on that one. Flashfreeze will likely have a secondary debilitation effect as it tries to freeze a body part solid.

-Raesh

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I'd out a vote in for something unique coming out of the next necro tm. Right now our spells are fairly niche. Vivi is my bread and butter, with sv being used in the rare instance of dying and bleeding. Usol is a quick room clear. I'd like more situational stuff.

Oh, that said, a TM spell that does no physical damage and only vit would be nice.

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