Does Vivi take 210 TM to get off a base mana cast? Or is 210 PM/Arcane sufficient?
Still getting used to new-fangled magic after coming back. I understand a utility spell with a 210 difficulty would take about 210 utility skill, but I'm unclear whether contest skills (TM/Debil) are the same.
Thanks!
DRTRV80
THAYET
Re: Vivi minimum TM
01/06/2016 02:37 PM CST
Yup, it will use your PM in the contest. So you won't quite need 210 ranks of TM to cast it as long as your PM is high enough.
Thayet
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Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
DRTRV80
Re: Vivi minimum TM
01/06/2016 06:20 PM CST
Thanks for the response Thayet. I think I worded my question poorly.
I meant something more like: Is TM skill only used for accuracy, or is it also used to determine whether you can overcome difficulty?
I dug a little more around wikipedia and noticed I overlooked something on Magic 3.0:
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Magic_3.0#Skills
"Though the Targeted Magic skill has previously existed, it will instead take the place of Primary Magic for targeted spells, as well as continue to control accuracy. Primary Magic will still exist as a skill, and play a part in the casting of all guild spells, though it is of lesser importance compared to the appropriate skill."
The way I'm reading this is, TM skill does control whether you meet the difficulty of the skill with a small modifier from PM/Arcane. So I wouldn't be able to cast Vivi around 230 Arcane if my TM is say, 120. So I should wait more toward 190-200 TM where the gap my Arcane has to make up is smaller.
Is this relatively accurate? I think in this case I'll have to put Vivi off till 50-60. Sadface. [Interestingly... my low TM is due to me using so many damn weapons as was discussed by others in a previous thread. bah!]
Thanks!
I meant something more like: Is TM skill only used for accuracy, or is it also used to determine whether you can overcome difficulty?
I dug a little more around wikipedia and noticed I overlooked something on Magic 3.0:
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Magic_3.0#Skills
"Though the Targeted Magic skill has previously existed, it will instead take the place of Primary Magic for targeted spells, as well as continue to control accuracy. Primary Magic will still exist as a skill, and play a part in the casting of all guild spells, though it is of lesser importance compared to the appropriate skill."
The way I'm reading this is, TM skill does control whether you meet the difficulty of the skill with a small modifier from PM/Arcane. So I wouldn't be able to cast Vivi around 230 Arcane if my TM is say, 120. So I should wait more toward 190-200 TM where the gap my Arcane has to make up is smaller.
Is this relatively accurate? I think in this case I'll have to put Vivi off till 50-60. Sadface. [Interestingly... my low TM is due to me using so many damn weapons as was discussed by others in a previous thread. bah!]
Thanks!
THAYET
Re: Vivi minimum TM
01/06/2016 06:30 PM CST
Sorry, you're right, I think I misunderstood your question.
Your appraisal of how TM works now seems accurate to me. TM controls both the actual accuracy of your spells as well as how much mana you can stuff into it. PM influences the latter (so higher Arcane Magic will let you cast it sooner if your TM ranks are a bit lacking) but not the former, obviously.
Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com
"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
Your appraisal of how TM works now seems accurate to me. TM controls both the actual accuracy of your spells as well as how much mana you can stuff into it. PM influences the latter (so higher Arcane Magic will let you cast it sooner if your TM ranks are a bit lacking) but not the former, obviously.
Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com
"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
ABSOLON
Re: Vivi minimum TM
01/06/2016 06:52 PM CST
I would suggest checking out the link below as well if you haven't already. The one you read was more of a summary of the changes from Magic 3.0 updates as they they were announced at the time. The one below is the general magic page and more descriptive of the current state of magic, since there have been some changes since Magic 3.0 went live several years ago. I also made a few updates just now with more of a newbie in mind, since some of it assumed the reader knew some things. It should be clearer about skill requirements for casting spells now.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Magic
Elanthipedia - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
Epedia Admins - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthipedia:Administrators
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Magic
Elanthipedia - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
Epedia Admins - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthipedia:Administrators
DRTRV80
Re: Vivi minimum TM
01/06/2016 07:14 PM CST
I've read the wiki articles (although admittedly not exhaustively, which is my bad and I will now correct) since I came back after 10 years. Finally getting a handle on it. Thank you both for the clarifications!
