Hmmm. Interesting idea about teleport. I'll think about it.

I'll check out RS when I get home this evening.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

From Crossing to Mer'kresh with 752 utility:

	Without BC	With BC
Teleport	47 mana	38 mana
Contingency	45 mana	36 mana
Moongate	25 mana	21 mana

At that range I was toppling over immediately from teleport but at the same range contingency resulted in a shorter stun and I kept my footing. So teleportation using contingency was superior than just a straight teleport. Once a moon rises I'll try longer distance. Moongate didn't seem to be benefiting much from BC.

I did like the decreased RT from predict state. I haven't tried transmogrify or split yet.

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Typos fixed, RS should be fixed. Still looking at what I want to do with Teleport.

I'm also waffling over if BC should hook any of the remaining EG spells. Whole Displacement seems like a possible candidate.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

As a relative noobler I wanna pipe in on this one.

Could the stun on Teleport be revisited, please? Especially Katamba. Teleport is losing some utility with this change. It would be nice if it was more appealing than Moongate for moving yourself around.

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... and the align stuff will actually work now.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>It's not EG, but Seer's Sense?

That might have made sense when Braun's was a perception spell, but it's not any more. Roughly speaking, Seer's Sense is a product of Fortune's Path style of prediction whereas Braun's Conjecture helps more with the Celestial Compact style of divination.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

The stun reduction from teleport is fantastic. Especially a capped teleport. I didn't try contingency again because I figured it would benefit the same as teleport. How did the Katamba standing (with BC) teleport shake out? It would really be great if we could teleport standing via Katamba. It's as important/more important than the length of stun IMO.

I got the BC messaging with WD but I'm not sure what effect BC has with it...seemed to perform the same for me.

Align Transmogrify: With 737 astrology unbuffed and a capped BC:

initial pools	transmog with BC to an empty pool	transmog without BC to an empty pool
complete understanding	significant understanding	fledgling understanding

So instead of ~25% efficiency from transmogrification I saw ~60% efficiency. I liked that a lot. It hurt using transmogrification to turn a curse when you lost 75% of a pool (without BC) for each transmogrification.

Align Split: In my completely non-scientific experiment of 2 predictions the prediction with BC hit the skill and the one without did not. Apparently my astro skill is enough to cover the split amount check because it was a 50% split of the prediction pool both with and without BC.

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>>I didn't try contingency again because I figured it would benefit the same as teleport.

I didn't put a reduction in Contingency - the idea is that contingency is, well, a contingency. You CAN invoke it, but that's mostly there as an option when you need to teleport NOW (or to go to your Seer's target) and the stun reduction is about helping to carve out a purpose to use teleport vs other spells.

>>How did the Katamba standing (with BC) teleport shake out?

Given that this would undermine an existing cantrip and Katamba leaving you laying down is nothing new it's not something I'm interested in adding at this time.

>>I got the BC messaging with WD but I'm not sure what effect BC has with it...seemed to perform the same for me.

It just makes the spell easier to cast (Same as MG/RS/Contingency).

>>It hurt using transmogrification to turn a curse when you lost 75% of a pool (without BC) for each transmogrification.

Pro tip: Don't use large pools to cancel out curses.

90 minute, 150 rank curse + 75 minute, 100 rank bonus = 82 minute, 25 rank curse (And ~75% of a pool used).

90 minute, 150 rank curse + 3(10 minute, 20 rank bonus) = 20 min, 1 rank curse (~30% of a pool used, if that).

>>Align Split

This is a binary check.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I've just pushed a few mild revisions to Braun's and the Teleportation changes to Test.

The changes to Braun's should be largely invisible and mostly exist to future proof the spell, though you might see very minor deviations in how much it reduces the mana/difficulty of the affected spells compared to before.

Contingency has seen the largest revisions - it will now look and act much more like Teleport in general (including how it handles stuns and interactions with a certain cantrip).

Assuming no major bugs crop up I'm looking to push this all live as soon as my schedule allows since the testing seems to have gone well - so if you're planning to do testing you should do so sooner rather than later.

Thank you to all the testers from yesterday!

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

One other oddity with teleport + BC:

Discern shows my teleport cap is 100 mana. When I prep and cast teleport at 100 mana without BC it preps and casts normally. When I prep teleport at 100 mana with BC up I get this message:

>prep teleport 100
Since you're attempting to feed more power into the spell pattern than it is capable of utilizing, you quickly work your way down to its maximal potential.
That will disrupt less than half your current attunement.
You direct your attention toward the heavens and trace the lunar sigils for the Teleport spell in the air.
>per
Katamba is dominant, Xibar is moderate, while Yavash's influence is weak.
Moonlight Manipulation and Enlightened Geometry spells are favored.
Your blue moonbeam should last at least six more anlaen or until Xibar sets.
Your black moonbeam should last about forty-eight more roisaen or until Katamba sets.
You sense the Shadowling spell upon you, which will last for about sixty-three roisaen.
You sense the Aura Sight spell upon you, which will last for about one roisan.
You sense the Braun's Conjecture spell upon you, which will last for about eighty-nine roisaen.
You are preparing the Teleport spell at eighty mana.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

I can still harness 20 mana and get the 100 mana cast successfully but it won't allow me to prep teleport and straight cast it at cap with BC up.

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Ah ok, yeah that accounts for it. No it's not adding the 20 harnessed in then. Must have tried casting it that way again to verify and forgot I had released BC.

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with these changes, will it be theoretically possible to moongate from Aesry to Boar Clan?

>>Totally about to pass out from exhaustion, but I think that'll fix Contingency.


I can hear the guile theme from street fighter playing as Raesh wrestles with teleportation code. Good work and thanks.


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Well, the graph looks really good, and I like the idea of removing randomness. Does that mean that a cast of X amount will always work between the same two locations? Right now if you're on the cusp there's a chance you'll get the "too distant" message sometimes, but other times you'll hit it.


- Navesi

>teleport the max distance (Which I think Boar Clan --> Aesry represents

Technically, Muspar'i <-> Fang Cove would be the farthest distance in the game. Although Aesry invokes the P4 rules.

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>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear

<<Although Aesry invokes the P4 rules.

Did you ever sort out how P4 rules apply when it's only within P4? In your last thread you said that entirely within P4 added the highest difficulty modifier, but that didn't match empirical evidence us players had which showed that while it has a difficulty increase it was significantly less of one than between mainland and islands. Was that just a mis-statement on your part?

<<Yeah, P4 rules cause an artificial increase in distance making Boar Clan --> Aesry the hardest teleport in the game.

Warning: Incoming nerd speak that doesn't actually change the validity of any statements made so far. I.e. just for funsies.

Technically, Aesry to Boar clan is only classed as the hardest teleport due to rounding. There are several that are actually longer distances, but not quite enough to reach the next integer measured in zones and thus are not more difficult. To one decimal place, the following are the longest distances that include islands putting them all at the hardest teleport at 10 zones plus island to mainland difficulty:

Muspar'i <--> Hara'jaal = 1081.7 miles (10 zones)
Aesry <--> Just south of boar clan up to but not including Archer's Ford = 1044.0 miles (10 zones)
Aesry <--> Raven's Point = 1029.6 miles (10 zones)
Aesry <--> Boar Clan = 1019.9 miles (10 zones)
Muspar'i <--> M'riss/Mer'kresh = 1000.0 miles (10 zones)

The following are the longest raw distances that are greater than the Aesry to Boar Clan distance without including the islands, but the difficulty is far less due to not involving the P4 difficulty modifier:

Muspar'i <--> Fang Cove = 1272.8 miles (12 zones)
Fang Cove <--> Hvaral/Fornsted = 1140.2 miles (11 zones)
Fang Cove <--> Theren Marauders = 1063.0 miles (10 zones)
Fang Cove <--> Boar Clan = 1029. miles (10 zones)

Part of this project was standardizing the P4 penalties to conform to Moongate.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>Our empirical evidence

Was based on code that I've written so things conform to the Moongate standard.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

The P4 code in Moongate has not changed. I literally redirected the other three spells to check the code in moongate instead of their own unique handling (or lack there of).

To summarize: Teleporting within P4 takes a penalty. Teleporting between P4 and the mainlands takes a larger penalty. This was true before, and it remains true.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I can't remember, did Shift Moonbeam get any changes with the recent changes?

I tried shifting a moonbeam focused on Truffenyi's Green in Ratha to Riverhaven from my location in Crossing today and I got the Grazhir/Reshal Sea resistance but I was under the impression that shift moonbeam used the caster's location and locate location for shifting difficulty...

[The Crossing, Magen Road]
The whitewashed building before you is stark and functional. A sign mounted on it is hand painted and carved with cunning skill. White-robed figures and all manner of injured and infirm people stream in and out of a double door, leaving thin trails of blood on the spotless pavement. You also see a wide arch and a stone urn.
Obvious paths: east, south, west.

>prep locate 50

>cast larien

You gesture.

[Riverhaven Road, South Road]
A grove of trees grows between the road and Riverhaven's defensive wall just to the west. A large tent is nestled within the grove. Several smaller tents have been added as extension to the back of the larger one, hiding in back of it like children peeking out from behind their mother. A tall guard tower looms above the treetops with a silhouetted figure pacing its perimeter, surveying the surrounding area with an ever watchful eye. You also see a pile of rocks, some grass, some grass, a crossbow bolt, some grass, some grass, some grass, some grass, some grass, a tangled snarl of verdant greenery that threatens to engulf everything nearby, a worm-eaten wooden caddy, a long-tailed Taisidonian rat, a full-grown wolf that is sitting, a sturdy iron caddy and a large silverwillow table with several things on it.
Also here: Triage Strategist Tuckin, Lord Knight Sebestyen, Feral Poloth who is sitting, Wanderer Larienna, Surgeon Clintanian, Lucky Rhylanian, Raccoon Friend Olinslag, Absolutely Fabulous Karissa, Mentor Pfanston, Wolf Trainer Azurinna who is sitting, Outdoorsman Rabba and Outlander Etherian.
Obvious paths: northeast, south.

>gest yavash pfans
You make a subtle gesture in an attempt to affect your moonbeam.
You can sense several fragments of Grazhir beneath the ocean, each of which hinders your abilities.
You sense your moonbeam move towards Pfanston.
Roundtime: 3 seconds.

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