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It's been awhile since a good conflict has been posted. I'm sure you can all enjoy this one. Some people may have the same opinion as myself, some may not. My question is...
AM I the only MM that is annoyed that Mithyl is selling near capped CJs for 2 plat each? Not to mention how much undercutting he has done on gweths and their pricing.
C'mon Mithyl, 2 plat? Why is it that as your CJs get better, your prices get LOWER? 70 rank CJs for 3 plat, 90 ranks for 2 plat, are you going to sell capped 100 rank CJs for 1 plat? You see what I'm getting at here? Is it your intention to make it so NO ONE else can sell anything moon mage related? I've never really thought of you as a "bad guy" and you usually seem like you're out to help the little folks, but really, how much do you think you're hurting the guild as a whole? Some young mages out there might like to try their hand at enchanting and even selling CJs. If you're selling near capped CJs for 2 plat how much do you think they could get for their work? 5 gold? Then is it honestly worth the time and effort it takes to make CJs for that amount?
Other moon mages (I won't mention names)are selling capped/fully charged/10 use CJs for 5 plat. Do you really think 2 plat is a fair price for a CJ just a bit below "cappped" quality? I'm interested to hear what some of my other guildmates have to say about this as well. I know there's no guild standard for pricing CJs, but this kind of price undercutting really hurts every member of our guild. Especially the younger enchanters just up and coming.
JAYM
MACKELI3
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 05:24 PM CDT
interesting considering when I was working a Moonie I sold my CJ's for 5 gold a piece and they were around 60 ranks CJs. Gweths were standard pricing unless there was bulk or a repeat customer.. So, I pretty much think it's close to crazy to want to charge several plat for something that's not in the capped range...There are some out there that charge 5 plat for CJs with 40 rank boosts.. And last I checked, Mithyl does mainly bulk deals.. So, who's he undercutting? Sounds like wholesaling..shrugs
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CHOSON
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 05:35 PM CDT
How much do Master's lockpicks sell for these days? 3 for a plat? So if you sell a 60 rank CJ for 5 gold you're saying that it isnt all that better than a Master's lockpick...
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
MACKELI3
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 05:42 PM CDT
and how long does a Master Lockpick last? 20 uses give or take.. How long does a CJ last? maybe 5 uses depending on devices..
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PRAXIS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 05:47 PM CDT
There is a different reason people are not buying your junk.
MACKELI3
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:21 PM CDT
well, if that reply is to me Praxis,
1) I don't play a moonie anymore.
2) I haven't sold lockpicks in a long long time.
so there are the two reasons no one is buying my lockpicks or cjs. :-P
Sothios Clan-Csencsits
Aesry Locksmith Union Representative
1) I don't play a moonie anymore.
2) I haven't sold lockpicks in a long long time.
so there are the two reasons no one is buying my lockpicks or cjs. :-P
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KCRMSON
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:22 PM CDT
I sell my stuff on the rare occasion someone is looking for it. If no one else in the area I'm in is selling at that exact moment, I get the sale and no questions asked about price usually. My aren't capped but most of the way there and both parties are happy.
I'd imagine that given the sheer amount of enchantments that Mithyl's making it's easier for him to unload it all by bulking them up and selling cheaper. Of course that bites in on my enchantment sales big time, people say 'Well Mithyl's stuff is cheaper' and I tell them 'Then go buy from him then, have a nice day.'
Perhaps move in on an area where he's not selling as much? My Rathan/Surlaenis'an gweth sales have gone down the tubes given Methar and Paithon are selling in the area now.
-- Toldorf GurKct & Briano Eno'Frippoli
The Servant blinks at the glowing ball and shakes its head.
I'd imagine that given the sheer amount of enchantments that Mithyl's making it's easier for him to unload it all by bulking them up and selling cheaper. Of course that bites in on my enchantment sales big time, people say 'Well Mithyl's stuff is cheaper' and I tell them 'Then go buy from him then, have a nice day.'
Perhaps move in on an area where he's not selling as much? My Rathan/Surlaenis'an gweth sales have gone down the tubes given Methar and Paithon are selling in the area now.
-- Toldorf GurKct & Briano Eno'Frippoli
The Servant blinks at the glowing ball and shakes its head.
MITHYLDR
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:22 PM CDT
Since most people can't even afford 2 plat for a CJ, no I don't think it's a big deal. There's not much of a market for them BECAUSE they cost too much for such a limited bonus. I tried selling them for 4 plat and hardly anyone wanted them, went down to 3 for 10 plat, still no bites. I look at it as I can get paid and make a little coin to train because yes they do teach fairly well. I can certainly make more coin hunting than I can ever make enchanting CJ's(since the market shows that at 4-5 plat, hardly anyone will buy quantities to make it profitable). They cost a whopping 1 GOLD for a jewelry item to make them on(assuming you can make them from the sky), what's the harm in making them reasonable enough so people that aren't RICH can afford them? I even GIVE THEM AWAY FREE to clerics trying to complete the raise quest! OMG!!!111 Lynch me now!
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MATTSMOMMA
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:31 PM CDT
lol
~Arwinia
It's mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.
~Arwinia
It's mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.
PRAXIS
MACKELI3
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:36 PM CDT
>well, if that reply is to me Praxis
>It wasn't.
Okies.. wasn't sure without the quoting.. heh heh.
Sothios Clan-Csencsits
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>It wasn't.
Okies.. wasn't sure without the quoting.. heh heh.
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MITHYLDR
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:41 PM CDT
>well, if that reply is to me Praxis
>It wasn't.
Well it had better been directed at someone else then, because otherwise there will be no more jagermeister for you!
Chris
Player of Mithyl
>It wasn't.
Well it had better been directed at someone else then, because otherwise there will be no more jagermeister for you!
Chris
Player of Mithyl
HESPEROS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 06:49 PM CDT
Undercutting complaints. Funny. Match the price. If you are any good it takes no more than a few minutes and a gold to make them, why is a 2000% return unreasonable?
~~Dhimani.
~~Dhimani.
SHAMELESS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 07:48 PM CDT
Why does it take a gold to make them? A generic hairpin/stud/pin from Crossing should cost about 200-300 copper, if I recall correctly.
Also that's awesome that you can make that much money off CJs. I thought I was doing great getting a few gold/hr from crocs. I will have to get a gweth and try to offload my 30-40 rank ones. To keep things on topic, the jerk store called and they are all out of jerks.
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Also that's awesome that you can make that much money off CJs. I thought I was doing great getting a few gold/hr from crocs. I will have to get a gweth and try to offload my 30-40 rank ones. To keep things on topic, the jerk store called and they are all out of jerks.
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HESPEROS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 08:22 PM CDT
I suppose you can use generic things, I have all mine catagorized so to speak by gem type and piece type, for my own convienance. That tends to cost about a gold each...
~~Dhimani.
~~Dhimani.
JAYM
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 08:36 PM CDT
"There is a different reason people are not buying your junk."
If that post was directed towards me, I don't have a problem selling my 90-100+ rank CJs for 4 plat each. I don't sell my CJs just to make coin, I enjoy enchanting. If I wanted to make coin, I can make alot more hunting than I can enchanting.
Also, Mithyl doesn't ONLY sell his CJs in bulk at 2 plats each, he sells them to anyone who wants to purchase 1 or 10 for the same price. Either way it seems most people who have voiced their opinion here don't care one way or another. I'm sure the customers are happy. Eventually it will come back to bite you though, when people start undercutting your prices.
If that post was directed towards me, I don't have a problem selling my 90-100+ rank CJs for 4 plat each. I don't sell my CJs just to make coin, I enjoy enchanting. If I wanted to make coin, I can make alot more hunting than I can enchanting.
Also, Mithyl doesn't ONLY sell his CJs in bulk at 2 plats each, he sells them to anyone who wants to purchase 1 or 10 for the same price. Either way it seems most people who have voiced their opinion here don't care one way or another. I'm sure the customers are happy. Eventually it will come back to bite you though, when people start undercutting your prices.
PEPEROMAN
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 08:47 PM CDT
<<Since most people can't even afford 2 plat for a CJ>>
these aren't the people that are buying CJs. if you looked at your market of CJ buyers it isn't joe shmo. joe shmo asks his MM friend to whip him up an avg CJ.
<<There's not much of a market for them BECAUSE they cost too much for such a limited bonus.>>
100 ranks to any skill given you have 200 ranks in said skill for what 8 mins(? is nothing to snuff at. how many ranks does it take to cap a CJ in how many skills? that is the crux of the matter. i don't care about making a profit, i care about undervaluing the skills it takes to get there.
heck i don't even sell MM enchantments i just miss old mithyl.
these aren't the people that are buying CJs. if you looked at your market of CJ buyers it isn't joe shmo. joe shmo asks his MM friend to whip him up an avg CJ.
<<There's not much of a market for them BECAUSE they cost too much for such a limited bonus.>>
100 ranks to any skill given you have 200 ranks in said skill for what 8 mins(? is nothing to snuff at. how many ranks does it take to cap a CJ in how many skills? that is the crux of the matter. i don't care about making a profit, i care about undervaluing the skills it takes to get there.
heck i don't even sell MM enchantments i just miss old mithyl.
HESPEROS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 09:05 PM CDT
>>i care about undervaluing the skills it takes to get there.
That is up to the person with the skills. If they can make it, they can charge what they want for it.
>>I can make alot more hunting than I can enchanting.
Then why complain about people charging less than you. Hunt.
~~Dhimani.
That is up to the person with the skills. If they can make it, they can charge what they want for it.
>>I can make alot more hunting than I can enchanting.
Then why complain about people charging less than you. Hunt.
~~Dhimani.
PRAXIS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 09:26 PM CDT
>MITHYL>Well it had better been directed at someone else then, because otherwise there will be no more jagermeister for you!
Easy now. I <3 Jager. You know this. :D
>JAYM>If that post was directed towards me
It was. It was probably out of line of me to start. I'll stop before it goes any further.
As far as the undercutting thing. I beleive whoever is capping sets the price for just about every creation system... just the way things seem to work in the DR economy. If you can sell above that, I'm wondering why theres a complaint.
Easy now. I <3 Jager. You know this. :D
>JAYM>If that post was directed towards me
It was. It was probably out of line of me to start. I'll stop before it goes any further.
As far as the undercutting thing. I beleive whoever is capping sets the price for just about every creation system... just the way things seem to work in the DR economy. If you can sell above that, I'm wondering why theres a complaint.
JAYM
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 09:32 PM CDT
"As far as the undercutting thing. I beleive whoever is capping sets the price for just about every creation system... just the way things seem to work in the DR economy. If you can sell above that, I'm wondering why theres a complaint."
If that were the case, Cloudcrest sets the market for CAPPED CJs at 5 plat. So on his scale, I'd say 2 plat would be what CJs around 60 ranks should go for. In fact someone on a certain site sold CJs at 50-60 ranks for 3 plats and made quite a bit doing it. So, Mithyl, I don't buy your "I can't sell enough to make a profit at X amount" line. You just want to make more, even if you have to work more and sell cheaper to do it.
If that were the case, Cloudcrest sets the market for CAPPED CJs at 5 plat. So on his scale, I'd say 2 plat would be what CJs around 60 ranks should go for. In fact someone on a certain site sold CJs at 50-60 ranks for 3 plats and made quite a bit doing it. So, Mithyl, I don't buy your "I can't sell enough to make a profit at X amount" line. You just want to make more, even if you have to work more and sell cheaper to do it.
PRAXIS
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 10:27 PM CDT
>If that were the case, Cloudcrest sets the market for CAPPED CJs at 5 plat.
The other side is that perhaps some of you guys want to overprice CJ's. Its still up to the individual whose creating them, and its still a creation system issue, not limited to CJ's.
What are Astral Guides selling for?
What will perma-moonblades sell for?
What are capped leathers selling for?
What are capped LC or HC selling for?
What is a capped sword selling for?
In the case of the latter 3, those prices have eventually equalized for the most part. Yes?
The other side is that perhaps some of you guys want to overprice CJ's. Its still up to the individual whose creating them, and its still a creation system issue, not limited to CJ's.
What are Astral Guides selling for?
What will perma-moonblades sell for?
What are capped leathers selling for?
What are capped LC or HC selling for?
What is a capped sword selling for?
In the case of the latter 3, those prices have eventually equalized for the most part. Yes?
MITHYLDR
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 10:31 PM CDT
>>So, Mithyl, I don't buy your "I can't sell enough to make a profit at X amount" line. You just want to make more, even if you have to work more and sell cheaper to do it.
So you're upset that I'm willing to work harder to make more while giving my customers a fair deal? I'm so very happy that you don't work for the RL business I own, I'd be bankrupt pretty quick with lazy thinking like that.
Chris
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So you're upset that I'm willing to work harder to make more while giving my customers a fair deal? I'm so very happy that you don't work for the RL business I own, I'd be bankrupt pretty quick with lazy thinking like that.
Chris
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MACKELI3
Re: Mithyl
10/11/2006 10:40 PM CDT
I just love how this is whining about "undercutting" as you fail to realize one thing. Anything sold is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay. If I don't want to pay 5 plat for a 60 rank CJ or a 100 rank CJ, I won't. I'll find the guy that'll go cheaper. The creator might set the price, but it's the buyers that decide if that price will work.
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Sothios Clan-Csencsits
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Dee, Dee, Dee!!!
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AMAGAIM
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 03:58 AM CDT
>>>In the case of the latter 3, those prices have eventually equalized for the most part. Yes?
Dunno. Depends on the trader acting as middleman, really.
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Dunno. Depends on the trader acting as middleman, really.
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FULTONJ1
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 08:08 AM CDT
<<AM I the only MM that is annoyed that Mithyl is selling near capped CJs for 2 plat each? Not to mention how much undercutting he has done on gweths and their pricing.
It annoys me as well. Mithyl used to sell them for 1 plat, or give them away for free a few years ago. You are whining because he has increased his price to allow other moom mages to make a little more? Very selfish indeed.
If it is all about the coin, go hunt.
Trebber
It is intended to be a game, and while it never made sense for me to be able to bounce across the rainbow road or whatever it was called when I played Candyland, it never stopped me from doing it and enjoying the game.
It annoys me as well. Mithyl used to sell them for 1 plat, or give them away for free a few years ago. You are whining because he has increased his price to allow other moom mages to make a little more? Very selfish indeed.
If it is all about the coin, go hunt.
Trebber
It is intended to be a game, and while it never made sense for me to be able to bounce across the rainbow road or whatever it was called when I played Candyland, it never stopped me from doing it and enjoying the game.
GODBANE
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 09:04 AM CDT
>Very selfish indeed.
I agree, it is selfish if the moon mage is jealous about another moon mage's income. But when people start mass producing enchantments and saturating the market all the while lowering their price... you start seeing the GMs come up with ways to prevent this. CJs used to decay overtime and I'd hate to see that return. Also look at the new Ways enchantment. Can only make one a month right? So it may be selfish, but it isn't stupid.
I agree, it is selfish if the moon mage is jealous about another moon mage's income. But when people start mass producing enchantments and saturating the market all the while lowering their price... you start seeing the GMs come up with ways to prevent this. CJs used to decay overtime and I'd hate to see that return. Also look at the new Ways enchantment. Can only make one a month right? So it may be selfish, but it isn't stupid.
LEONA
ALDEN
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 12:53 PM CDT
As an occasional CJ purchaser, here is how I look at it- there are 2 reasons for me to have cj's- either for the occasional emergency/invasion etc where I need a boost- in which case I don't really care to much about the cost- 4 plat, 5 plat- if I really want that backup I can afford to buy 1- note 1 each of those cj's.
The other reason is to actually help with hunting or training. The only way I can rationalize this is if I can make as much as the cj costs while I am hunting- hopefully making actually more because of the CJ. Lets say top of the line CJ's have 10 charges for 10 minutes each or 100 minutes- which is pretty close to my average hunting session. I don't make 5 plat in a hunting session. At 55th circle, I maybe make 1 plat an hour- I can make more under certain circumstances, but a single cj is unlikely to affect that amount much. So about the most I can rationalize to assist my hunting or training is maybe 1 or 2 plat for a cj. At those amounts I can afford to buy a fair amount of cj's and replenish them from what I make while hunting.
Flavius
The other reason is to actually help with hunting or training. The only way I can rationalize this is if I can make as much as the cj costs while I am hunting- hopefully making actually more because of the CJ. Lets say top of the line CJ's have 10 charges for 10 minutes each or 100 minutes- which is pretty close to my average hunting session. I don't make 5 plat in a hunting session. At 55th circle, I maybe make 1 plat an hour- I can make more under certain circumstances, but a single cj is unlikely to affect that amount much. So about the most I can rationalize to assist my hunting or training is maybe 1 or 2 plat for a cj. At those amounts I can afford to buy a fair amount of cj's and replenish them from what I make while hunting.
Flavius
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 01:42 PM CDT
i actually love both these guys...
im staying out of it!
:oP Ragran
P.S. no really, i love you both.. <smooch>
im staying out of it!
:oP Ragran
P.S. no really, i love you both.. <smooch>
VROTSOSJ
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 02:33 PM CDT
>>But when people start mass producing enchantments and saturating the market all the while lowering their price... you start seeing the GMs come up with ways to prevent this.
Yeah, just look what they did to forged weapons, armor, fletched bows, and tanned goods.
Oh wait.
I am --- Navak
Yeah, just look what they did to forged weapons, armor, fletched bows, and tanned goods.
Oh wait.
I am --- Navak
GODBANE
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 03:08 PM CDT
>Yeah, just look what they did to forged weapons, armor, fletched bows, and tanned goods.
So you're saying the limit on making 1 Astral Guide per month has nothing to do with the fact Moon Mages like to overproduce their enchantments? It is a rather powerful enchantment, so perhaps.
Either way, I don't care about CJs. There were times I couldn't even give away free CJs. How huge is this market that people are willing to fight over a few plats? As Mithyl said, hunting brings in more money. Creating tons of CJs appears to require lots of money, time and inventory space. I'm under the impression Mithyl just wants to help out the community by allowing cheaper ways of acquiring moon mage enchantments. In the past I thought this might mean limitations of quantity for new enchantments. Which is why I and other players were not surprised to see the limitation placed on Astral Guides.
So you're saying the limit on making 1 Astral Guide per month has nothing to do with the fact Moon Mages like to overproduce their enchantments? It is a rather powerful enchantment, so perhaps.
Either way, I don't care about CJs. There were times I couldn't even give away free CJs. How huge is this market that people are willing to fight over a few plats? As Mithyl said, hunting brings in more money. Creating tons of CJs appears to require lots of money, time and inventory space. I'm under the impression Mithyl just wants to help out the community by allowing cheaper ways of acquiring moon mage enchantments. In the past I thought this might mean limitations of quantity for new enchantments. Which is why I and other players were not surprised to see the limitation placed on Astral Guides.
STYIL
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 04:55 PM CDT
So somones actually whining cause Mithyl raised his prices? Interesting indeed. Clearly someone has never experienced true economics. The way it works is...whoever sells the cheapest wins. The demand dictates how much one is to supply. So if 100 people order CJ's from him..thats 100 orders to fill. You charge twice as much, therefore only need half the orders to make the same amount of money. So maybe you overcharge. Maybe not. I've been going to Mithyl for....everthing....forever, so I'm probably bias, but thats not the point. The point is that its free market my friend, anyone can do whatever they want. He wants to "undercut" you? Amen. Maybe instead of asking him to raise prices you could lower yours and do more work. Or I suppose we could always form a CJ cartel...but if thats the case, I think you really need someone with some business experience to run your little socialist ring, and I better be at the forefront of that one...for a minor 50 or 60% cut of the action of course. Get real. People flock to the best price. They always have. They always will.
Styil, the Daisy Picker.
Styil, the Daisy Picker.
DR-ARMIFER
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 05:09 PM CDT
>>Clearly someone has never experienced true economics. The way it works is...whoever sells the cheapest wins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_Dilemma
-Armifer
"...and we shall be able to see the heavens more clearly, the heavens which, though they still may be cruel, nonetheless will not deny to us their eternal beauties." -Giovanni Boccaccio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_Dilemma
-Armifer
"...and we shall be able to see the heavens more clearly, the heavens which, though they still may be cruel, nonetheless will not deny to us their eternal beauties." -Giovanni Boccaccio
GRANGERSITE
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 07:12 PM CDT
If folks are paying plats for CJs, they have way too much money to spend. Fleece them all for whatever you can, and hurry, before the gods realize that and set up another fest!
MATTSMOMMA
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 07:25 PM CDT
>>before the gods realize that
Punch yourself for that
~Arwinia
It's mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.
Punch yourself for that
~Arwinia
It's mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.
PRAXIS
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 07:52 PM CDT
DWARB-POWER
STORMSPIRIT
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 09:12 PM CDT
i <3 social psych too, but iterations of the prisoners dilemma appear in social psych more as a methology than an end-result
MORDRAUG
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 09:27 PM CDT
>>more as a methology than an end-result
The effectiveness of the methodology does not in any way diminish the reality of the end result for the prisoners.
The effectiveness of the methodology does not in any way diminish the reality of the end result for the prisoners.
SHAMELESS
Re: Mithyl
10/12/2006 09:36 PM CDT
<<i <3 social psych too, but iterations of the prisoners dilemma appear in social psych more as a methology than an end-result
Are you saying we are machines? :)
This is a fantasy role-playing game. We can role-play cooperative, considerate individuals unburdened by selfish instincts and brittle self-perceptions.
What Am I Talking About???
Plaith, Still Inching Towards Funny
Are you saying we are machines? :)
This is a fantasy role-playing game. We can role-play cooperative, considerate individuals unburdened by selfish instincts and brittle self-perceptions.
What Am I Talking About???
Plaith, Still Inching Towards Funny
