<<Excellent for them. They'll get better service.

We don't actually! I gave up on PC empaths except when one of my limbs have fallen off.

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Out of Context Theatre
"Shaved head, but in a good way."--Ragran
"Their number is negligible and they are stupid."--Eisenhower
~~Join The Fallen!~~ (So you don't bother me >:o )

Bleh, hit post too quickly.

I would enjoy meeting the person who doesn't tip because I have now reduced the number of people I would waste my time on. No one is her to fulfill the whims of anyone else. Someone rubs you the wrong way, don't interact with them anymore.


Trebber

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Your mech lore ranks could care less if the paper is blue or plain.

GM XXXXXX "Well, we can't please everyone."

You say, "True, but that is no reason not to try."

That doesn't tend to resemble the reality of the situation. Perhaps I just have a forgettable name.

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(This Is Not) Mrrar

Out of Context Theatre
"Shaved head, but in a good way."--Ragran
"Their number is negligible and they are stupid."--Eisenhower
~~Join The Fallen!~~ (So you don't bother me >:o )

And they need to interact with my empath, too. PC empaths are PCs first, empaths second. If you don't say a word to my empath other than, "Help! Need healing fast!" and then "Thank you!" and then you tip and leave, you're pretty much forgettable, no matter how much you gave me. (Unless you tip me 10 plat. That sears your name into my brain forever and ever. No highlights needed.)When my empath heals, it's not because she expects to make money, although she'd like to earn enough to have a little expendable income. It's because she enjoys healing and generally being sociable. Empaths aren't just more developed versions of Martyr and her fellow auto-empaths, we do talk and have actual characters that at least some of us try to RP. There are people she'll walk across Elanthia to help, and some of them tip like misers but treat my empath like a person, rather than a game mechanic. (Generally, though, people who treat my character with respect also tend to tip at least fairly well, some tip extremely well.)

Incidentally, I realize if you stumble into the guild with 98% vitality loss, there's not much time to chat up an empath. In those cases, "Help! Please!" is certainly not rude...it's an indication of a dire emergency. But have the courtesy to spend time with the person who just saved your life afterwards. After all, the character just underwent horrible pain and suffering just to make sure you didn't end up in the cleric's guild as a result of your actions. Vague recognition of that fact, asking if he or she needs any herbs, even if you don't have any, a bad joke, a good joke...etc. It's not as though you need to hold a long engaging dialogue. If you don't speak to my character, she doesn't hold against you, it just doesn't make her more inclined to help you in the future. A great way to annoy me, however, is to ask for healing, get completely healed, sit there for five minutes, then all of a sudden, "Heh, sorry, was in my head. Now, who healed me?"

All empaths are different, some might want that tip more than conversation but -- call me crazy -- I've always had a soft spot for people who treat my empath as a fellow character, not a healbot. Otherwise, as was stated, consistency with tips and being a repeat customer help, too.

-Nesra and her player

Yeah, you tipped me really well in Haven the only time I've ever seen you in game. You don't get a highlight though 'cause I remember your name from the board and whatnot anyway.


~Purehand

>>>You all should handle this like we handle it in TF. Play Roshambo. If you win, you get a tip, if the patient wins, no tip is necessary, or if it's a tie, it's up to the patient.<<<

LOL

Anyways, when I'm playing my ranger, I tip:

1) 1 silver per circle=1.3 gold right now.
2) 6-13 boxes, still goblins right now though. Trollkins later this week though, if the empath wants them.
3) Full bundle of goblin skins, unscraped.

I don't tip in gems, yet, just don't see enough of them yet. And I don't care about how much healing was done. (But usually only go at the point that the wounds are piling up.)

(Un)Fortunately, he's not my main character.

On the flip side, as a 30th circle empath, I'll pretty much take whatever I'm offered. I used to decline after 2 gems, but not any more, got to save up for Festival shopping galore madness. But I still ask to make sure they didn't add an extra zero if it's more than a few gold. But lately I ask for a backpack of wood troll boxes, from those who shouldn't have difficulty with them...and never see them again. It's happened about 5 times in the last couple of weeks. My disarming and picking skills are whining.

If you tip well enough to be noticeable, you get moved to the good tipper list. Keep at it, and be fairly courteous, and go to the friends list, and I don't take a tip again from you. Boxes excepted. And if anyone on those lists ask for healing, they get it as promptly as I get out of RT.

PoKaeta Airtag, and Shriko Nightswing

>Shriko Nightswing

I was wondering why you were so friendly and why I always see you sitting in the empath guild! This totally explains it.

By the way, to keep on topic, thats a fairly good guide for all levels. I mean, we've almost all said that 1-2 gold is a "good" tip. At 30th circle, you'd already be tipping 3. I think thats a fair progression for tipping, of course tossing in a few extra gold when you get up there in levels is always a good thing too! :-)

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Ho'oilo (Hoe oh eelow)

Hunting level 30 critters starts paying pretty well, but most guilds aren't hunting level 30 critters at 30th circle. Where do most 30th circle fighters go nowadays? The hot spot was crocs when I was that circle and they sure didn't pay very well with those heavy skins. Sand sprites and vines/creepers pay really well however pay pretty well. So I guess it depends on where that 30th circle player is hunting.

I pretty much expect combat guilds in the 50+ circle range to tip me a gold or more. I know at 50th circle, my war mage was bringing in 10 plat a day in Snoblins. Now that's a critter that pays very well, and results from a full weekend day of hunting. He wears HP and doesn't need healing much, but when he does get healed, he tipped 3 gold to 1 plat depending on the service.

Even if you cut that 10 plat by two thirds, and are learning multi in leather, a 50th circle character can afford to pony up a gold or two.

It sounds like you are going above and beyond NIKPACK, so I wouldn't sweat it.

~Purehand

<<It sounds like you are going above and beyond NIKPACK, so I wouldn't sweat it.

Thanks Purehand. That's the benefits of training seven weapons and not going back until I locked them all. I did know about sprites but just hadn't found my way over to Ratha for various reasons. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something else. I guess the stated idea works better for players of characters around 30th who maybe have more coin in their vaults from another, higher circled character.

<<Let's ban tips all together and add a 5 rank per circle stealing requirement.

:runs away with his arms flailing: Nooooooo! My poor pockets! To use an idea from Goniftheef I think: Empaths, the new trader, the new thief. hehehe


Nikpack
player of Celeiros and Makona

Maybe we should have a special empath ability called "siphon coin"

basically when someone stiffs us on a tip, we can make a stealing check vs their perception to grab some coin before they leave. Maybe have some nice messaging like:

"Souv lifts a couple coins out of Purehand's pockets since he seemed to "forgot" to tip"


Souv

You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds

Gah!


~Purehand

>manipulate Farman cambrinth pyramid

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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost

>but even if there wasn't, should that matter?

Yes.

>You was being rude...

Mikiri is never "rude" exactly...just bluntly honest. She doesn't sugar coat her opinions or feelings. However tactlessly she may convey her thoughts, it is not to be confused with being rude.

>Empaths should have a sponge room where they can go beat things up with soft sticks for a while to release some pent up anger.

Yes we should!

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Hawaiian Word of the Week: Winter

Ho'oilo (Hoe oh eelow)

>>Now if you want someone who is genuinely mean/rude/nasty...Meet my moonie. The only thing is...she'll dress it up all pretty for you. :)

Psst! Kssarh's a GMPC... ;)

J'Lo, no that other one

I didn't mind the IC bit really, its just the way it's made it onto the forums that suprises me. How hard would it be for empaths to be given some kind of soft weapons? That could be a laugh, maybe add a new skill, toy fighting. To keep it roughly on topic, you could gamble on who can rub the other persons back the most with the sponge :D

Kallarn.

P.S I'm looking for some help with my empath character if someone doesn't mind my AIM is KallarnDR. It's about taking wounds and all the typing involved (I'm looking for scripts/programs :()

I'm all for a sponge room with fake weapons to take out aggression on, maybe they could even teach us a limited amount of weapon skill so that our parry isn't mostly worthless


Souv

You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds

>How hard would it be for empaths to be given some kind of soft weapons? That could be a laugh, maybe add a new skill, toy

Reuters: Nerf (tm) has signed an exclusive contract with the Empath guild's factory outlet store, currently in QC.

~Purehand

I tend to gauge tip value based on wound quantity, as assessed by one of the more expensive autohealers (like Dokt) and then add a bit on the top. Of course, our dynamic is somewhat different in plat, so a player healer is not always available, and a lot of times we have to use the autohealers.

Anyway, specifying a set tip amount doesn't take into account the work the empath has to do OR the value to the player. A couple diopsides, especially if sold through a trader, more than covers the cost of a handful of scuffs at Dokt. Alternatively, you can easily drop 6-10 silver trying to get healed from a severe beating at Dokt, and so in that case I'm much more apt to tip a clarified ruby or a similar gem with a value well over a gold (and probably over 2).

Poison, infection, and near death experiences, or exceptionally fast or friendly service (like Sete.. when the heck did you turn into an instant healing monstrosity!?) warrant extra tip, if I have it (being that I hunt for money about once a month.)


From the perspective of my empath, his personality is such that he will accept whatever is given. If someone tips him 7 gems, he's perfectly content to keep accepting them endlessly :P He is still low enough to require patients to learn, so maybe his attitude will change when he can learn empathy without having to take wounds.

not only your wounds but the empaths wounds as well


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I make about 1/20th healing compared to what my mage or thief make a month from hunting or pilfering.

Then again I made 100 plat on saturday doing shifts. But that client insisted on inflating my rates. I heart that client.

All in all I'd say my characters draw even on my good shifting months and Purehand falls way behind when the shifting clients prove to be elusive.

~Purehand