I'm not usually one to whine and complain or rat out on someone. Nor am I one to hide behind my guild title either. So, I apologize if I sound a wee bit like a cry baby. Whatever, that said...here is what happened. :)
Erm, don't think this is a command to black list these folks but rather a suggestion to please, be careful and wary. ( I somehow didn't log it so bare with. I'm sorry)

Okay, Garlinen is wee Empath(5th circle at time) and was foraging minding his own. He gets dragged off by a War Mage,Mudezi. I find later is only 5th circle as well. Mudezi, hides and Garlinen points. Garlinen gets killed. I understand there are different and better ways to handle it all but at the time I suppose, tempers flare and we forget to be sensible.

Garlinen tells me what happens. I get a little irritated and think " Well, maybe Garlinen might of not been so innocent. Let's see." I bring Malykai with me and ask Mudezi if I might have a word with him, please. After a bit and much of my patience he comes with. We go to Taelbert's and I ask him why, what happened. He dances around the question. Keeps trying to sell us the story. Kriike comes and he tells Kriike same story. "Garlinen, stole his familiar, and sent him a letter saying if he didn't pay him 1000 plat he would kill his cat familiar" "Can you help me find my cat? Then I'll talk."
We wander about a bit he keeps pushing our buttons. I warn him that we've given him plenty of room to speak his piece and that he should clarify his side of the story now. He keeps at it. Maly makes him sleep. Funny thing is, Kriike attacks Mudezi when he gets knocked out. Brawl punches and kicks him a few times. Mudezi wakes and talks more smack and Malykai Partial Displaces Mudezi.I don't know about that Kriike part, or why. Maybe to make us think we are still friends for later...

(Later)
I see Kriike again with Malykai. I hug him hello and then Malykai whispers to me to hide. I hide. Saphrusit and Kriike makes an attempt to kill Malykai.Saph shoots first and Kriike next. They tried they failed. We end up at Willow Walk Fountain so I can heal his arrows out his arm. Xerynolous put a shadewatch mirror on them so we could watch what they were doing then. I explain what is happening. They offer protection but Maly tells them it's okay It's my trouble to deal with.

They come and try to kill him multiple times with arrows,bolts and casting swarm and haraweps bonds. Failed. They keep coming in casting swarm and running away.
Aleerayn gets tired of it and sleeps Kriike. Strange and Revek show up. Telling us Empaths to "Shut up. Our opinions don't count and they aren't talking to us." . They yell "Come talk!" from the room south of us. Malykai tells me to wait at the pool again to be safe and he goes. I pigeon him if it's okay to go with and join and do so after a bit. Watching them, Strange is guarding Kriike's sleeping body and they are gabbing about stuff and it doesn't even seem they know why they attacked Malykai in the first place.So, I keep trying to tell them what happened and why this happened. They don't want to listen to me. Don't want to listen to Aleerayn.They insult Aleerayn. Keep telling me to shut up. I defend her and myself and say " What!? Because we are Empaths we must bend to your will and not talk or die?" "Why?"
They say " Yes, bend" "Or die." Aleerayn tells me to hush and I do. I watch, Kriike keeps slapping Malykai and I tell him to stop. (they are suppose to be only talking) He doesn't, so I slap back. He begins loading and shoots me . I run north and he shoots me twice again. If not for Aleerayn I would of died. IN the end Saphrusit dies. Kriike gets shock and sleep and nearly dies from Malykai's hand after attacking me. Malykai defended me and that is what happened. All these lil hoodlums kept creeping from no where trying to pick at us.Keadro keeps trying to taunt malykai into fighting him. So does Strange maly points out it has nothing to do with them. Strange curses Malykai to where he cannot use SMILE/FROWN/ACT/PONDER verbs. After is all calms down..our group joins with Aleerayn and go to Aleerayn's house. Throughout this whole ordeal Adr keeps locating us but never responds when we ask him pigeon and gweth what he wants. After talking and calming down for Aleerayn. I drag Malykai to Ratha with me to avoid more. I hear later of a lot of stories dealing with all these names. From what I hear they are excellent at dancing along the borders of consent. Are experts at this kind of stuff.

I don't care bout them feeling like they needed to right their revenge for their friend's death,whatever. Hell, we did the same for Garlinen,I guess.
I know both sides did wrong. What pissed me off the most of it all is they felt that my side of the story didn't count that as an Empath didn't matter. I know there are measures that could of been taken to avoid all of this but at the time we weren't thinking very straight. Just thought to share. You take it how you will.

I don't believe blacklisting should be carried out on the boards since they are OOC and beyond the scope of the game world. But if ever there were a convincing candidate for that, it would be Strange.

http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

The player of those characters has been around for a while, they were asking me about stuff from four years ago or so while they were harassing another empath. Too bad they ran to wake up larger characters. At least take your medicine if you're going to roll up some throwaway characters.

I swear I know Kriike from somewhere though. Then again I don't remember what I had for breakfast so my memory is suspect.


~Purehand

>>Strange is widely known for targeting Empaths for theft and conflict.

He has stolen from my Empath too and I know he caused some issues in Ilithi last week where he was killed at least once.

Noted. Thank you. I will be sure to tell Garlinen. I actually kinda moved him to Ratha with me. Less competition for patients there anyways. I do not usually wish harm to visit anyone but I DO however hope Strange and company find this worth while and get what they deserve in the end. No more no less. ;)

Make your mistakes your master piece!
~Stoppit some more~

"For a while I thought Kriike was okay. Until he tried to make me a few new holes. I heard he is known for running after getting healed and no thank yous. I know already now that what you say is true from what another has told me. shrug"

Now I'm surprised. I met Kriike maybe a week ago. He came into the guild asking urgently (though politely) for an empath to come heal his friend who was stuck in badgers and was dying. I joined him immediately. Another younger empath came too, and off we went. We healed the girl's minor scratches and she was very happy. Then the other empath and I were whisked back to the bank for a couple plat tip each. I put him on my 'neutral good tipper' list.

Of course, the next three or so times he came for healing (at least two of which I healed him), he tipped little to nothing and lacked any hint of the usual courtesy. Bye bye highlighted name.

It's still weird though.

>>Not that most of the people involved are particularly adept roleplayers, but I have a hard time having sympathy for people who so willingly and easily blur the line between IC and OOC themselves.

Just roll with it and try to have fun. That or simply don't involve yourself in someone else's fight. Not too difficult.<<

heh, I have my moments when I take a look at the gweth and just go... "it's OOC season, forget it..." and just join the club. This frame of mind usually lasts until I log off

>> Not that most of the people involved are particularly adept roleplayers, but I have a hard time having sympathy for people who so willingly and easily blur the line between IC and OOC themselves. <<

Where exactly were the lines blurred? everything that happened IG was absalutely IC. and everything said on the boards was an account of what happened IG, and absalutely OOC since the boards are OOC. If someone wants to refer to AIM's as pigeons and logging on as waking up who really cares, lets not try to have a stick in the butt about someones word choice. We all know what pigeons and waking up means.

>> Just roll with it and try to have fun. That or simply don't involve yourself in someone else's fight. Not too difficult. <<

Maybe you missed the fact that nearly everyone involved had no idea why they were their besides seeing an opportunity to start a war and kill some folks. Don't try and sound all high and mighty, its nearly impossible not to get involved(which the entire crew sitting at Willow Walk fountain can attest to I'm sure) when a gang who were not involved to begin with comes looking for you. I personally think we 'rolled with it' rather well, none of our characters died, some of theirs did and the entire thing happened IC which to me, the player was definately fun at times though my character was annoyed and pissed off at what happened.

Malykai, the player.

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>rub other gweth
[Assuming you mean a pile of yelith roots.]
You rub a kyanite gwethdesuan.
A chorous of foreign thoughts joins your own.

>Malykai, the player.

Not to derail this sad conflict - but Malykai is not one to confuse RL and IC. Nor is he one to play the report game.

That aside, I'm gonna kick Ally's arse for letting our Fountain area get "taken over" :P



~~~
..player of Xochi

>Word gets around. If you're going to have to defend yourself, realize your strengths--which, in this case, is word of mouth. We aren't asked to take the Hipocratic Oath when we join the guild. We don't HAVE to heal anyone--and I'd think that anyone who suggests that empaths aren't entitled to opinions or don't count for much of anything doesn't deserve healing. They are disrespecting the guild, and disrespecting you. Myeka

Agreed.

Though, the empath forum is not the most posted in guild folder, by a long shot.



~~~
..player of Xochi

The Empathic Alliance - http://home.earthlink.net/~empathicshifting/

>> We all know what pigeons and waking up means.

Indeed. And we all know that they are both entirely OOC concepts, just like consent policy and that sort of thing.

So why, again, are you people confused about what I meant regarding mingling IC and OOC?

>> Don't try and sound all high and mighty, its nearly impossible not to get involved

Don't be ridiculous.

Either you're involved or your not. Either you keep your mouth shut or you don't. Either you defend someone or you walk away. Whether or not your cause was 'right' or 'just' or they were on 'your' turf or you felt obligation to jump in on behalf of a friend is irrelevant. It wasn't your fight, but you decided to make it your fight. That's fine. Just don't pretend it's anything but what it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Empaths flexing what little muscle they have and doing the whole "rah rah you go girl" thing, but your posts lay it on really thick and I guess that just rubs me the wrong way.

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Rev. Reene

"Who provides the opportunity to cultivate patience? Not our friends. Our enemies give us the most crucial chances to grow."
- Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama

>>It wasn't your fight, but you decided to make it your fight. That's fine. Just don't pretend it's anything but what it is.

Lets try and work out our facts from fiction and hear say before we start telling people what they did and didn't do. Strange, Kaedro and Saphrusit had nothing to do with the original incident which sparked all of this, Malykai's killing of Mudezi for insulting him and his bonded mate, a different infraction all together and not in defense of Garlinen the empath killed by Mudezi in the first place. So your statement is true only in the sense that it wasn't Strange, Kaedro, Kriike or Saphrusit's fight so lets not pretend they're anything but opportunist hoodlums trying to flex their tiny muscles. Which is what this thread's original intention was to point out and warn people about.

Malykai, the player.

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>rub other gweth
[Assuming you mean a pile of yelith roots.]
You rub a kyanite gwethdesuan.
A chorous of foreign thoughts joins your own.

>> Malykai's killing of Mudezi for insulting him and his bonded mate, a different infraction all together and not in defense of Garlinen the empath killed by Mudezi in the first place.

Then it begs the question of why an attempt was seemingly made at stringing all of these supposedly disparate incidents together and making them seem related somehow.

Because after wading through that block of unorganized text, it seemed to be as though a lot of people were getting involved directly due to the original incident with the little Empath.

Which is great. A lot of people are afraid to do that these days due in part because they fear the wrath of policy for doing so. But don't be surprised when the other guys do it too.

>> I think yer all acting stupid.

NO U

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Rev. Reene

"Who provides the opportunity to cultivate patience? Not our friends. Our enemies give us the most crucial chances to grow."
- Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama

>> They do not respect or think us worthy maybe a few who can tolerate them when they are in a good mood or in need of our help but not Empaths as a whole.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to speak for the whole guild.

Presumptuous little twit.

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Rev. Reene

"Who provides the opportunity to cultivate patience? Not our friends. Our enemies give us the most crucial chances to grow."
- Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama

Skipping any and all content of this thread, I'd like to reply directly to the thread title:

>Empath's opinions don't count?

No.

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Fuquois

>>They do not respect or think us worthy maybe a few who can tolerate them when they are in a good mood or in need of our help but not Empaths as a whole.

Well for one, they don't dislike empaths as a whole and two, I don't just tolerate them when they are in a good mood, I like them all the time.

~Arwinia

You are Shrimpstar, a Prydaen Bard.
You have pointed ears and cat-slitted clear colored eyes. Your amber mane is short and thick, and is worn tousled. You have grey fur and a slender tail.
You look tired.

You are wearing nothing special.

This is getting interesting. We could get a very interesting plot going about this IG.. Maybe a guild meeting unofficially? Anyone game? Strange's player, are you up for some serious RP too?

Lots could happen from this point on.. including a note to the guild leader of the guild that doesn't exsist? Isn't there something about honor when joining that guild?

Could commission a mercenary...

Dun dun dun!

simple solution:

we do what a guild is intended to do... look out for our own. We defend when another guild member is in trouble, resolve the situation to the best of our ability, and not take it to the boards, nor cry "empath" Pure is right, the dogma that empaths are defenseless and need to be protected died long ago, I say we prove it to anyone who doesn't know it yet

>> I don't know a single empath that thinks that. That dogma died years ago.

No it didn't. I run into occasionally it to this day. And not from mule characters, either.

As someone who also plays a character that tends to look down on Empaths as a whole (though for entirely different reasons) I can tell you this attitude is still extremely prevalent among certain groups of people. Maybe not among the ones that read the boards, but it's not difficult to find in-game.

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Rev. Reene

"Who provides the opportunity to cultivate patience? Not our friends. Our enemies give us the most crucial chances to grow."
- Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama

Are we having fun yet?




~ Leissl and $0.02