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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 02:22 AM CDT
A) The Character doesn't care, he's an outcast and doesn't know stage 1 from polite, the gripe was all ooc.

B) The OP was intentionally vague, if the one in question hadn't piped up no one would of known except those who were there when they were there.

C) Martyr Only Takes LEAKS. He was ONLY leaking from the left arm (slightly) and the right leg (slightly), external only. That is 2 silver per step as far as I can gauge, certainly not 5-6 gold. They even turned off poison completely because 1 gold was too much for people getting stabbed by gobbie boxes. Kiva would of had to do the rest of them.

D) I didn't have her on my fancy "Empath List" had no idea she was an empath. Wasn't aware of the fact until she heart linked me, which under ruling of BMR, is an attack.

If she wanted to she could of completely ignored me I wouldn't of known better, it was immediately after an invasion so I had extra amounts of forgiveness to go around for anyone Zombie healing themselves.

E) There are actual spots in the guild, and outside the guild, where zombie self healing or friendly non working self healing, and even blatant -not working- self healing can be done. You're welcome to do it anywhere you want. At least let people know you're not in a healing mood.

>No, you won't. Vault mechanics don't let you go in with a bleed, not even a tended one, and not EVEN a tended healed bleed (just bandaging). But DO let you go in with an infection and wounds (yay, getting a bleed IN the vault. Purposefully. :D)

Yes, yes I will. After all you can still pay your vault fees after having your leaks stolen by Martyr and go right in. He'll even put it on your "tab". Now to get rat pelts to cooperate.

The fact remains that people who would ordinarilly be called obnoxious keeps the crossing population down is actually a good thing, or there would of never been a push to even think about pretending to understand the need for Hibenvor(sp).

=Sophrona-
There, I spelled it right.



If there were no cost or sacrifice involved, there wouldn't be any benefits worth learning, and the entire system would be pointless. --GM Wythor

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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 02:39 AM CDT
I feel like we're being trolled at this point.

Also, you never answered my ESL question.



Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 02:41 PM CDT
>I feel like we're being trolled at this point.

No need to answer every complaint. Don't want to discuss it, don't talk to it.

>Also, you never answered my ESL question.

Maybe it wasn't written clearly.

or

It was the trollish question about taking a person on what they're wearing instead the out of character cost of what they're wearing.

or

The trollish and direct attack question about if I know that Role Playing is to "write" an instant story about what is happening to a character with as minimal use of OOC information as possible, such as the player cost of items that produce a particular look?

Reguardless of ooc cost, home made will always denote poor or large family to me, and made from scraps will always denote resourceful/thrifty. Something the local critter wears means usually means free or donated.
Silk and gems are expensive.
Gold can be polished brass in the right light. One piece isn't nessecarilly rich, nor is two individual pieces. I had a solid gold rolex when my father died before my apartment broke into. Did I spend 2 grand on a diamonds studded gold rolex? NO. It was probably even FAKE.

Gleaming can be well taken care of or brand new.

or

Was it the S'kra Mur etiquitte question about staring being one of three words. Food, Stupid, and ...... The second is blatantly rude, the equivilant of a person smacking you with a rolled up paper and saying no. Doing this after every statement is obnoxious. The other two aren't normally done in polite/mixed company. You can't seriously tell me that she goes around using the third one after every statement with everything that walks on two legs.

Role playing is also a choice of words, and with as well a developed and customized SMaug core as DR runs on choosing your actions is part of that selection. If you choose actions that are obnoxious that's fine. That's all you, but don't get sideways when someone makes an ooc complaint about it happening inside the empath guild. There are more than just her that are obnoxious empaths, so such a complaint could of been about, I donno, Kilsharkra.

Optional Optic commands.
Peer
Observe
Glance
Stare
Tail(mur only)
Trill(don't know if prydean can use this)


If there were no cost or sacrifice involved, there wouldn't be any benefits worth learning, and the entire system would be pointless. --GM Wythor

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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 03:04 PM CDT
lol

-- Player of Szrael --
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 11:39 PM CDT
I did my test.

I stood in the central room of dobek moruryns, set up my TKS script and calmly ate a sandwich, played some other games and read Something Awful for the next hour while it chugged along.

In the nightsilk gem pouch you see a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a large star ruby, a large star ruby, a large star ruby, a small star ruby, a large star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a large star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a large star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a large star ruby, a medium star ruby, a medium star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a small star ruby, a large star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a small star ruby, a medium star ruby, a large star ruby, a medium star ruby and a small star ruby.

You sort through the gems and finally decide that they're worth a total of about 78157 Lirums.

I have 370 TM, but TKS is crazy inaccurate, and as I wasn't bothering to retreat but was never in any real danger health-wise I surmise this could be done with a lot less skill and a better AoE. Oh, and here's what my health looked like afterward... I was somewhat burdened from rubies near the end and got hit with poison stingers in the right arm like three times in a row.

!>heal
Your body feels slightly battered.
Your spirit feels full of life.
You have a severely swollen and deeply bruised right arm, some minor abrasions to the left arm, cuts and bruises about the right leg, some minor abrasions to the right hand, some minor abrasions to the chest, some tiny scratches to the abdomen.

Bleeding
Area Rate


inside r. arm slight
You have a mildly poisoned right arm.
You have a mildly poisoned abdomen.

I consider my character mediocre in combat at best. Consequently, I don't buy that people can't afford to tip a few gold when they go get healed. Moruryns might pay out pretty good when they do, but ruby drops are rare and the spawn sucked so I think it balances out. I could probably make even more if I went elsewhere so if someone wants to recommend a different testing area I'm down.



Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/30/2009 11:52 PM CDT
<<I could probably make even more if I went elsewhere so if someone wants to recommend a different testing area I'm down.

Jump on the Kree for a one-way trip. That should net you a ton since both the spawn and pay-out is much more regular than dobeks.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 03:16 AM CDT
Ok, here's a test.

Roll up an alt, give (it) goblin bait gear and go hunting right away, without even 0 ranks in evasion. Don't join a guild or anything that would give you a booster start and make (it) stand on it's own feet out of the CG.

Yes, once you get over 100 ranks in defenses 3-4 gold is easy, but when you have less than 40 ranks in your defenses and less than 20 in your weapon, with 10 in your skinning....

If you can get 3-5 plat in an hour, I'd love to know where, other than traders, because that's a guild.

You can make 7-9 plat in a couple hours, but you've definitely got some expensive stuff, but did you buy it all when it was overpriced or did you buy it when it was cheap?

My main can make 2-4 plat in a couple hours, his weapons are way behind his magic. My non empath alt can only pull 2-3 gold in a couple of hours. He's getting better at it, but it'll still take some time to get to where Your main and My main is.



If there were no cost or sacrifice involved, there wouldn't be any benefits worth learning, and the entire system would be pointless. --GM Wythor

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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 03:23 AM CDT
If you hadn't noticed we kind of moved on from your character a page or two ago.



Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 03:37 AM CDT
lol, this is especially funny because I kept Szrael a commoner for several months before I had her join the Empath guild, maybe a year and a half ago.

It's only gotten easier since then, with the changes to skinning, low level learning, teaching, tasks and veteran armor-swapping. You can make several gold per day just doing tasks (not to mention fish and branch selling) so it's easy enough to do a few tasks, then give your Empath whatever results from that.

Maybe you just don't know what you're doing?

-- Player of Szrael --


You grip the oversized book hanging from your leather belt and survey the area with a hint of malice in your eyes.

With a violent cross-body motion, you draw your oversized book.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 03:39 AM CDT
>>played some other games and read Something Awful for the next hour

A fellow goon here trolling all the pubbies? Say it isn't so!

---
"All models are wrong, some are useful." -George C. Box
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 03:42 AM CDT
>> A fellow goon here trolling all the pubbies? Say it isn't so!

SHHHHH :X



Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 05:14 AM CDT
By the by, I had that pouch clarified:

You sort through the gems and finally decide that they're worth a total of about 140162 Kronars.

With capped Trader bonus + speculate finesse:

The Dwarven appraiser scrutinizes the contents of the nightsilk gem pouch carefully, then hands you 199370 Kronars.



Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 05:56 AM CDT
I don't think I'll ever beat the viper sac operation I had going for a while. Snapshot to the chest + arrange would yield a 1+ gold viper sac in less than ten seconds. I think I averaged around 50 plat an hour after getting a high level trader to sell the bundles. I don't think it's possible any more with the new arrange but I haven't tried.

-Mvorn
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 10:00 AM CDT
the task system really makes any complaints that new characters can't make coin invalid

~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 12:50 PM CDT
>>the task system really makes any complaints that new characters can't make coin invalid<<

This.

And if anyone does argue that it's not good enough, they have obviously not actually utilized it.

- Terra
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 01:00 PM CDT
Even rat pelts can generally cover the wounds they inflict, provided people aren't laying down armorless with 0 defenses, and then some.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 05/31/2009 08:16 PM CDT
<<I don't think I'll ever beat the viper sac operation I had going for a while. Snapshot to the chest + arrange would yield a 1+ gold viper sac in less than ten seconds. I think I averaged around 50 plat an hour after getting a high level trader to sell the bundles. I don't think it's possible any more with the new arrange but I haven't tried.

When recall was first usable on critters, using it on moruryns made them drop rubies without killing them and without causing any roundtime.

-Twitchet
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/01/2009 05:14 PM CDT
>>the task system really makes any complaints that new characters can't make coin invalid<<

>This.

There's a difference between new and low level. Low level can still be locked out of the task system, since some of it depends on skills. Some depend on time spent, such as the no theft issue.

>And if anyone does argue that it's not good enough, they have obviously not actually utilized it.

>- Terra

Or doesn't know where to get them. I'm sure they're plenty good enough.

If there were no cost or sacrifice involved, there wouldn't be any benefits worth learning, and the entire system would be pointless. --GM Wythor

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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/01/2009 05:28 PM CDT
Not being able to afford healing is full of it. If you can't afford it, you're either hunting too far above your level or you're doing it wrong. I met a guy who was essentially fresh out of the box, brand new player (I assume anyway, he did not know many commands or what some things I OOC'd to him were until it was spelled out)...he's an odd little fellow who has gotten the basic hang of hunting, can even kill rats! He can afford to pay up front for healing. Maybe not at Szrael's rates, but she sets her own rates as she sees fit. As do the rest of us "horrible Empaths" who charge upfront payment.

Anyway, Mr. New Guy comes in with typical rat wounds, a few cuts and bruises and I calculate the cost of his healing(<3 G3 script) and it comes out to a whole 2-3 silver. Woah there, big spenders.

So as a summary, unless you're hunting above your skills and getting your face pounded in, you'll be able to afford the typical wounds you'll receive in lower level hunting grounds.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/01/2009 06:07 PM CDT
>>Low level can still be locked out of the task system, since some of it depends on skills.

Searching -- no skill involved
Delivery -- no skill involved
Recovery -- skill of the weapon in your hand (you have to be the one to kill the critter)
Kill X -- skill of the weapon in your hand (you have to be the one to kill the critter)
Kill Boss -- skill of the weapon in your hand (you have to be the one to kill the critter)
Foraging -- foraging skill (but you don't need to be the one doing the foraging, and you can gather items before taking tasks)
Skinning -- skinning skill (but you don't even have to go into combat much less do the attacking, killing, and skinning)

You never get locked out of the task system, unless you are referring to your choice not to task because the reward is so low (it can go down to 5 copper and probably all the way down to 0).

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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/02/2009 04:40 AM CDT
>>Ok, here's a test.

Both characters that I play are 20th circle or under (scratch that, while writing this one just hit 21st).

They have individually made their own money. I may have swapped a few items around (like my empath's skull), but not cash.

My 16th Empath made enough to fill up a compendium and have a handful left to spare, and this was before I circled her a few times.

My 21st Thief has made well over 100 plat, sure she's combat heavy, but even before that she was making good money off of hunting, she was making money off of Tasks to get the essential things she needed, like storebought weapons and armor. I was pretty thrilled when she could afford her first forged weapon, and she was about 11th circle. It was a sabre. For I think 15ish plat.


Oh, and I pay my own Empath when she heals the Thief.

It's only fair. (And as of yet less than a plat since the Thief was backtraining and not getting damaged.)
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/04/2009 09:28 PM CDT
SHNURUI, are you for real? Back away from the keyboard.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 12:37 PM CDT
I play a pretty high circle empath, and only take tips. But I also have a low circle person in sprites who doesn't pop boxes or even collect them. It is not his thing. So often times he does not have a couple gold to tip. There are quite a few non box poppers who don't have alot of coin.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 12:47 PM CDT
Loot Treasure is your friend.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 01:50 PM CDT
<<But I also have a low circle person in sprites who doesn't pop boxes or even collect them. It is not his thing. So often times he does not have a couple gold to tip.>>

The LOOT options have made this excuse no longer valid. Thanks for playing, though!
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 02:43 PM CDT
You can make plenty of money in sprites even without boxes.

Don't make me go test this to prove it.



Rev. Reene

Szrael says to you, "He's quite a friend. I've never seen anyone remove their pants with such alacrity."
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:00 PM CDT
>>You can make plenty of money in sprites even without boxes.

I don't believe you




Cute verbs and speaking from hiding are excellent ways to catch a lightning bolt in the face regardless of mystical ninja abilities.

-Armifer
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:04 PM CDT
shush honey mommy is talking to the adults



Rev. Reene

Szrael says to you, "He's quite a friend. I've never seen anyone remove their pants with such alacrity."
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:13 PM CDT
I still think you're going to have to test it




Cute verbs and speaking from hiding are excellent ways to catch a lightning bolt in the face regardless of mystical ninja abilities.

-Armifer
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:25 PM CDT
I swear to god if I have to go to Ratha for testing again the first person to make a pithy remark in front of my moonbeam is getting lobotomized the hard way



Rev. Reene

Szrael says to you, "He's quite a friend. I've never seen anyone remove their pants with such alacrity."
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:39 PM CDT
My character made about 5 plat in one day (spent all of Sunday there) in sprites off of just the coin alone.
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:43 PM CDT
>>My character made about 5 plat in one day (spent all of Sunday there) in sprites off of just the coin alone.

Yes, you can make quite a bit in sand sprites, I was just having a little fun with Caelumina




Cute verbs and speaking from hiding are excellent ways to catch a lightning bolt in the face regardless of mystical ninja abilities.

-Armifer
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:46 PM CDT
You can make money in Sprites without boxes.

My girlfriend was able to make several plat in sprites without boxes during a single hunting session.

A few weeks ago I created a new character.

This character has been through rats, goblins, eels, sand sprites, wurms, rock trolls, and snowbeasts.

This new character without any monetary help from my larger characters has been able to create enough money to tip all Empaths 2 plat for each heal he's needed.

This character doesn't pick up a lot of stuff and still maintains a good amount of money in the bank.

If you add skinning then there would be a lot more money generated.

My new character has even been able to afford several forged weapons, tanned leather gloves, tanned leather cowl, tanned perfect firecat leathers, forged chain shirt, forged chain gloves, forged chain greaves, and other things.

So, the whole "I don't have enough money to tip" is only accurate if you've been lazy.

~Nitish
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Re: Obnoxious Empaths. 06/25/2009 03:48 PM CDT
There's an easy way?
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