Please tell me the name is not really Necrojill


~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

I'm not able to see how Szrael's behavior got her in an obnoxious Empath thread. She can charge however much she wants. I'm not sure why this is even up for discussion. The player of Szrael plays Szrael any way she wants to. If you don't like that, then you can chose another empath or pay up. Empaths are individuals and not you or anyone else's healing robot. Its getting me annoyed that people post in here how an empath "should" heal/charge. Since we're all individuals (yes even empaths) the choice is very simple...pay up or pick someone else to heal you.

>>honest attempt at haggling

Haggling usually happens before the price is agreed upon. It also usually consists of more than just complaining.

-- Player of Szrael --

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You grip the oversized book hanging from your leather belt and survey the area with a hint of malice in your eyes.

With a violent cross-body motion, you draw your oversized book.

>>Everyone has two logs to read entirely, other than heckling you on your "wealth Assumption" be so kind as to point out heckling?

Please point out the obnoxious behavior?

~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

You define a stare as someone being obnoxious?


~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

meh

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

-- Player of Szrael --

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You grip the oversized book hanging from your leather belt and survey the area with a hint of malice in your eyes.

With a violent cross-body motion, you draw your oversized book.

>>Give me herbs or give me the Empath Union. But don't give me hugs.

Bahaha. There has to be a motto in there somewhere.

-- Player of Szrael --

The fact that autoempaths do not have to spend anytime healing themselves is irrelevant. It's not about whether empaths have the right to charge whatever amount they want, it's about practical RP considerations when they choose to make those decisions.

If I went around trying to sell tanned goblin-skin backpacks for 2 gold each, it doesn't matter how much time it took me to make them, the blood sweat and tears invested in it, or how much my character gets RP distress from handling bloody skin pelts. Sure I have a right to sell it, but there are just too much alternatives available. Someone can go buy a sturdy backpack for 2 silver, or get a free backpack from someone else. This is bound to generate volatile reactions when I try to peddle this backpack.. ranging from.. ahh cute newbie trying to sell junk.. or.. WTF who is this idiot trying to ripoff.

Another issue is whether or not you can judge if someone is rich or not. Wealth is a stock, income is a flow. Purchase and tip behavior for the customer usually depends on the latter. Descriptions are a poor way of assessing healing charge value because its based on wealth, and even then it is a poor indicator of it. If you really wanted to charge based on a patient's earnings capabilities, a better measure, although a bit OOC, is to ask them to TELL you XP or circle. 5 gold may be only 3-4 mob kills worth of money to the circle 90+ hunter, but it is about half the price of a lumpy bundle for the lower-mid circle range player, and more than three times the total hunting trip's income for a newbie.

To another poster's point, removing or increasing NPC empath prices won't cure the problem, but it's a step in the right direction. There are always going to be empaths that heal for free, but having one of those around is not a certainty, whereas the NPC empath is.



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"All models are wrong, some are useful." -George C. Box

Actually, as an aside I would normally not go out of my way to compliment but I really like that outfit Caelumia. Especially the wristband (Let me know if you ever want to get rid of that btw).

Also, if I were a charging empath I would charge you 5 gold for moderate to severe wounds and 2 plat if I had to replace limbs.


- Terra

>>Soo, my thief was in sand sprites at 11th circle, and walked away with a couple hundred plat in a few weeks.<<

This should not be used as a prime example. Not everyone hunts 24/7 but you do make a good point that with dedication it certainly IS possible.

I hunt lightly/moderately in gryphons and make roughly 7-10 plat a day without skinning. I remember when I was hunting around 30th-60th circles as a Bard though, I made a shameful amount of money in DR and would never have considered paying more than 5 gold for a heal. But I also wasn't decked out.


- Terra

Personally, I don't see healing as ever really being a good way to make money for Empaths, it's pitiful.

The whole point for Szrael is making it worth her while, not really even so much trying to generate an income that way.

Basically:

Szrael says, "Make it worth my while. I was doing something else."

Patient says, "What? No."

Szrael says, "Okay."

Szrael does something else.

I'm all for Empath unions and standardized prices, but healing will never really compete with what even (as someone pointed out) a sand sprite hunter can bring in. Does that make sense? No. But I'm not sure we can ever really change that when practically everyone I know has an Empath mule, and half of the non-mules are guild-sitting tip-declining martyrs.

I'd really rather see Empaths be able to participate in the combat system if they want to (construct hunting), or have worthwhile creation systems (mech split).

Then we can leave the hugs and the small clear topazes to the Empaths who really do heal because they feel they have a duty or an obligation, and Empaths who want to make the bux will have a mechanism for doing so.

Amusingly, that might actually drive prices up.

-- Player of Szrael --

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You grip the oversized book hanging from your leather belt and survey the area with a hint of malice in your eyes.

With a violent cross-body motion, you draw your oversized book.

<<syn makes her money by hunting, with an avenger and/or her husband, and really does pretty well.

Amusingly, Evran makes most of his money from combat... courtesy of his combat empath husband.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

I've updated my script, and I published it as a google doc so anyone can check it out. The prices may need some adjustment, but overall it is much better than having a base price like before, as these costs more reflect how long I have to sit healing.

If you have a lot of useless wounds you can easily rack up a few plat, somewhat bad wounds should end up a few gold, and for really light healing it should be close to a gold (give or take a little).



GENIE 3 COST CALCULATOR:

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dfkzwmf5_0fzszs2dq

I'll see if I can figure out how to make a web calculator. If I can't, I have a couple friends in mind who should be able to.

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>>That is not the matter the OP is about.<<
>>Thinking you know absolutely, someone elses RP style is Obnoxious at the least and arrogant at the worst.<<

You ARE the OP.

I'm an overskilled 58th circle Empath. Magics over 300. And He has a bruised head compounded by cuts and bruises about the head, minor swelling and bruising around the right arm compounded by cuts and bruises about the right arm, a severely swollen and deeply bruised left arm compounded by deep cuts across the left arm, minor swelling and bruising around the right leg compounded by deep cuts across the right leg, minor swelling and bruising around the left leg, a severely swollen and deeply bruised right hand, cuts and bruises about the chest area, faint scuffing to the abdomen, minor swelling and bruising in the back compounded by cuts and bruises about the back, tiny scratches to the left eye. is going to take me around 5 minutes of Regenerate.

I actually question whether that's 2 gold at the auto healer. I think I'll duplicate the wounds and see out of curiosity.

>>Sophorana for Empath Union Presidant in 394!<<

Who is Sophorana? Might want to get names right.

I'd be insulted to have my name there at the top of the list and still have someone misspell it.

Someone tell me about this Empath Union? I found out yesterday that apparently there's a Moon Mage Union that I've never heard of in 7 years.

>>Please tell me the name is not really Necrojill<<

I've seen Necrojill log on. :(

>>when I get the vault fees I'll go change into goblin gear for your "appearences" issues.<<

No, you won't. Vault mechanics don't let you go in with a bleed, not even a tended one, and not EVEN a tended healed bleed (just bandaging). But DO let you go in with an infection and wounds (yay, getting a bleed IN the vault. Purposefully. :D)

Anyways.

>>If you have a snake charm, a forehead ruby and a shadowsilk cloak and only 5 gold in the bank, that is officially Your Problem.<<

Or, you could "tip" the cloak.

>>What to charge me?<<

1 meellion kronar. I know you've got it! :D

>>Also, if I were a charging empath I would charge you 5 gold for moderate to severe wounds and 2 plat if I had to replace limbs.<<

As a tipping empath, I tip half my circle in gold to the empath that heals me and half to the cleric that raises me. Right now, I just do 3 plat each. Except in invasions, things get a little hectic.

If an EMPATH can afford to tip such royally well, then anyone can. And that's only partly because I pull coin from my other characters. And only the empath higher than 30th circle.

Ultimately, this has more to do with flat-out greed.

>>Soo, my thief was in sand sprites at 11th circle, and walked away with a couple hundred plat in a few weeks.

You're severely underestimating the ability to make money in DR.<<

THIS.

Mags gives 5 gold.

A 24th circle ranger skinned bundle of beisswurm claws sold by a trader is nearly 2 plat. A cleric skinned one is a little less.

I just know this post is going to get me in trouble. And I was right. Had to delete my first one because of some cursing I thought I'd deleted.

If every patient that walks in runs multiple accounts and/or hunts with nice genie3 scripts, 5 gold isn't much at all. But that might not be everyone. It's a lot of work to fill a bundle by manual hunting.


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"All models are wrong, some are useful." -George C. Box

>>Are we to punish efficiency then?

How can an empath punish someone who has already made their plats from hours of non-stop hunting?

The empath, however, can punish the more casual player by assuming they have an income level of the modern-day multi-account genie3 player (myself included).

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"All models are wrong, some are useful." -George C. Box

>>my farming script:

Did you perform your experiment on how much you could make from hunting yet?

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"All models are wrong, some are useful." -George C. Box

>>How can an empath punish someone who has already made their plats from hours of non-stop hunting?

These multi-account using people will already have their own empaths, so they will not effect the system.

Man what a pal <3

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Rev. Reene

Reene: tie a scimitar to your fist.
Kystrk: that would just be unrealistic
Reene: because jump kicking someone from hiding and vaporizing their skull is super realistic
Kystrk: I was wearing footwraps