Hrm... Is Riposte the 100th circle ability, or just an ability we happen to get at 100th circle?

-Evran

The first slayer of Malik, may he not rest in peace.

Well, thats... anticlimactic.

-Evran

The first slayer of Malik, may he not rest in peace.

I think it's a pretty decent 100th ability, especially compared to the current one it's replacing.


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Riposte looks cool, but I hope the messaging doesn't only draw from Elan's style. Cyrano's ripostes would probably be more sophisticated than simple puns, for example.

At the bare minimum it will have a toggle to alteration between horrid one liners and a generic message about making a quip.

Depending on my time/motivation/inspiration/player suggestions (NOT YET!) the toggle may have multiple tones you can take on.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

<<Raesh re: anticlimactic

Its the years and years of discussion back and forth about what it should or shouldn't be... only to culminate in "oh yeah, we don't really do capital C, capital A,100th circle abilities anymore, but if you want to think of it that way go ahead."

I like the ability. But it doesn't have the quality of a '100th Circle Ability' in my mind. Its not awesome enough or unique enough to make that cut.

-Evran

The first slayer of Malik, may he not rest in peace.

>>...Crystal Spike that executes feint/damage instead of damage/damage.

Not sure what that means, but the reason why I suggested it was akin to a backstab is because...

>>So kind of like a fake out and then attack. Sounds awesome, especially if the 2nd attack can capitalize on the fact that the opponent has been faked out and is vulnerable!

That is, essentially, the entire point of the attack. - Raesh

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> Riposte sounds almost identical except for always having a feint, and not having a delay.

But those are very vague descriptions of how they'll work. A shot from a staff sling and Partial Displacement can both be described as "ranged attack that cannot be parried", but that ignores a great many differences in implementation between the two.

"An attack combined with a feint that makes the foe vulnerable" could be implemented identically to Crystal Spike, it could be identical to Backstab, or it could be its own thing. So what we know is mostly just the flavor of the ability.

>>Just remember the 'Pyre is not Fire Rain?!' fiasco when it had TM damage added.

That's a very good point actually. I will quell my hopes in hopes that I may be pleasantly surprised.

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Orrr... perma-consent? My empath is sitting with about 600 TM that I'd look forward to ravaging a sleepy foe with. Of course she can barely dodge a rat but lord knows she'll be a little alfar titan come 3.0.

>I doubt there is such a thing as perma-consent.

While you are probably technically right, I was under the impression that if you were grave-robbed that you had "perma-consent" on the party or parties that took your things until you got them back or compensated for the items taken. I'm sure that this is not hard set, and a GM could step in and settle the situation if it came to it, but I think that's there for the people who want to hide behind the Guarded or Closed setting while taking other's stuff.

While this is not really related to what he was talking about, there are examples or where they do that sort of thing.

>>Bard TM vs. Opponent TM? Or, is it TM vs. "normal defenses"

Pretty sure it's Bard TM vs Opponent Defenses. Right now the contest is Bard Vocals vs Opponent Defenses which is what they are changing.

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<<Besides, shock is being rewritten to be much less severe than it is now.>>

Even with that in mind and with only speculation to go by, I rather doubt that "inflict a stun that'll probably end up being longer than that allowed by disablers while also applying an Empathy debuff that may be larger than that allowed by global caps and lasts for probably not less than a couple of hours" is a valid effect for an ability to produce. Sure, it's not as bad as the "inflict a five minute stun and make the game largely unplayable for up to two years worth of logged in time" that we'd end up with in the current system, but it's still not okay. There's also no reason to believe that Shock will be rewritten before Stuff 3.0 is released.

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It wouldn't shock me if the "forced attack" thing was more along the lines of "if you try to attack, you'll attack this person" as opposed to "you're automatically forced to enter combat in the first place"

So if you try to throw a punch, you'll end up swinging at Bob, but if you don't swing a punch, it's all good.

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All of my comments are PvP related. I don't really care about PvC (or whatever we call normal creature combat) powerful stuff. RT-lock those dillos until your heart is content.

By the by, that unconscious thing you bards do has a crazy long time period to it.


Madigan

>>Even with that in mind and with only speculation to go by, I rather doubt that "inflict a stun that'll probably end up being longer than that allowed by disablers while also applying an Empathy debuff that may be larger than that allowed by global caps and lasts for probably not less than a couple of hours" is a valid effect for an ability to produce.

I agree, and I would actually argue that it wouldn't cause shock for the Empath at all. If an Empath holds a weapon and I pick up their hand and move their hand so the sword slices a goblin they're not the ones held responsible and shouldn't be given shock IMO. Same principle applies to mind control.

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Especially when it's a non-subtle mind control that the controlled can instantly recognize. Ooh, can we cause spirally mind control eyes?

<<It's not a single cast. It's continually recast on you every 10-15 seconds, for as long as we maintain the enchante. If we stop playing the song, you wake up fairly quickly.

Figured that was the case. Falls into the X-lock in my book. Once again, just setting forth my observations about overall things I would like to see change in general. Nothing personal on the bard list at all. I am equally opposed to halt-lock, stun-lock and so forth. I have a bit more sympathy for "states" that can be broken (i.e. everyone seems to have a way to break a stun in some fashion) whereas not a fan of things that nothing can be done (i.e. RT and unconscious).


Madigan

>>RT disablers are pretty potent in that there is really nothing you can do to break the RT.

To my understanding game wide disabler stacking will be changing with Combat 3.0, though I will hurt anyone who quotes me on that since I am not directly involved in those decisions/projects at this time.

Either way, please trust me -- these abilities will be fairly contested and they will have cool downs and they are based on a limited pool of power.

You're not going to have a 1st circle Bard holding anyone in RT, let alone someone way above them.

>>So this contest is Bard TM vs. Opponent TM?

No. It's just an attack that uses TM instead of Vocals on the offensive side.

>>3. <<35th: Whistle - Piercing As now. AoE taunt plus RT.>>

>>See RT concern above.

See above. Also this ability already exists in a very similar form (Complete with RT and taunt), and I've heard no complaints about it's power level.

>>What is the contest for Beguile? I am not a big fan of forcing characters to do the things you listed even if it results in an open setting.

I touched on this earlier in the thread, they will certainly be contested -- though the final contest is not set in stone, the "charm" mechanic for magic 3.0 should give you a good idea where it'll be going.

That said, lots of things that can happen to your character that you do not like. These events can provide character growth. Or an excuse for glorious glorious vengeance.

>>Shock

Not sure what my solution to this will be here, but, not -- I don't see forcing empaths to get shock as being a desirable result. I'll consult with Melete to make sure we have a viable solution here.

>>It wouldn't shock me if the "forced attack" thing was more along the lines of "if you try to attack, you'll attack this person" as opposed to "you're automatically forced to enter combat in the first place"

All of the beguiles are an impulse thing. The Bard says a brief command, and the target either resists, or acts quickly on it before they have time to properly process why they are going on with the Bard's request. There is no long term hypnotizing or charming going on here.

I haven't decided the exact mechanic for this ability, but it's not going to cause you to engage someone and then slug them in the face. You'd need to already be in close proximity, or perhaps holding a loaded weapon. Conceptually the ability is designed for a situation where the Bard is facing two already hostile targets to cause one to strike the other, though I'm sure clever players will find ways to get into all sorts of trouble with it.

>>Ooh, can we cause spirally mind control eyes?

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-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>Four pages of goodness all over again. Woot!

You need to view more posts per page, clearly.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose