>...a trigger in an idle drain script that logs me out upon death...

>...If its a case of combat logging - then maybe...

He would be dead already, so there wouldn't be combat logging. Or are you saying that if someone logs out immediately after death that is considered combat logging?

Between buying houses and renting inns there really is never a need to drain outside of a safe location.

On my Necro I've had to move my home a couple of times as I've progressed but even in that situation I've never had to travel far to be safe.

>>Just save yourself the trouble and log off.<<

^This.

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>> Obligatory 'Stormfront has 'Rest Mode''. Dont need to worry about triggers and events and timed scripts when the FE designed, implemented, and hosted by the game does what you want for you.

Rest mode. LOL.

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>If I'm playing and go out for an hour to take care of some chores, I just log out. Would I get more exp if I created a robust in game exp drain?

Super robust for you.

Label:
Pause 200
Put exp
Match exit Yada Yada ghost message
Match Label EXP
Matchwait

Exit:
Put quit

Having to quit for an hour is actually prime reason to just drain for a bit instead of logging out. You're draining majority of your exp as opposed to the few % for logoff exp. Go hide in a safe room with sleep mode. No worry about death.

Idle drain helps the casual gamer in a lot of ways.

Lets say you have about 1-2 hours you can play a day.

You can train for about 20 minutes lock everything, drain it. Rinse repeat a few times a day. I love idle drain for this very reason. Obviously a hard core gamer who can sit in front of his computer 12 hours a day is going to train harder than me, but idle drain allows me to be somewhat competitive. If I had to "log out" and drain it would take 8 hours to log back in and drain 100%. That is only three full drains a day if I'm optimal. If I can lock and drain more than three times in a 10-12 hour period, while I'm awake, I'm way ahead. Then I can use my log out drain for my last training session.

- Buuwl

What he was saying if the "ghost" message happend during the pause. But EXPing while dead will do a ghost message, so yes, this script will work. Its if you put a pause then put something like a match for the "YOU'VE BEEN QUIET" or whatever message, then you might miss it.

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Don't mess with a "killa".

>This is the worst thread ever.

Really? Are you reading the same forums as I am? I've seen far far far worse. :/

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Just so I am clear, you can spend x number of minutes atk filling your exp pools, then go afk in a quiet location to let it drain? And that is perfectly acceptable?

>Just so I am clear, you can spend x number of minutes atk filling your exp pools, then go afk in a quiet location to let it drain? And that is perfectly acceptable?

So long as you are gaining no other benefit aside from draining shock/outrage/experience, it is not against the rules.

Whether it's a good idea or not would depending on where you are draining.

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>>Having to quit for an hour is actually prime reason to just drain for a bit instead of logging out. You're draining majority of your exp as opposed to the few % for logoff exp. Go hide in a safe room with sleep mode. No worry about death.

My point is that I don't try to min/max everything to the point where I need to bother dealing with this silliness.

If I'm going out for a few minutes to get groceries or run another errand, I just turn the game off. It's a game. It won't be the end of the world to just not maximize my pool draining during that time.

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>>Cool, my point is the opposite. I'd like to maximize what little playing time I have, with a wife and three boys. To each his own.

Yeah, my point is that people shouldn't stress about staying competitive in a game environment. While it may not be the case, a lot of people who are asking about how to idle drain without violating policy are getting needlessly stressed about finding ways to stay competitive while only being able to play for a limited amount of time.

The better option, in my mind, is to just not stress out over that stuff.

If you want to think about this stuff and figure out a methodology to how to drain experience while idling in game while also not risking any policy issues while also making sure your character doesn't die due to not being able to pay attention while hoping no one tries to interact with you because you're not there while etc etc etc, more power to you.

The alternate is what I'm suggesting. Just play the game for fun, don't stress out over that stuff, and don't bother trying to maximize your experience gain.

I've been busy, so I've taken time off from playing the game. Could I have just set up a system to lock my experience each day to keep growing in the meantime? Probably! It's just not really the way to enjoy a game in my eyes. So my suggestion is that instead of stressing over what is and isn't policy, just come to terms with the fact that if you're unsure if something is violating policy, it's probably better to just avoid doing it, since GMs might be as unsure as you, and it's not like Simu policy is written in stone and always applied in the same manner.

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>>I guess I just don't understand what's so stressful about finding an inactive area and running .drain.

I don't either, but it seems people need to really look into the deep nuances of policy to figure out what is what.

It seems easier to just not worry about it. If you think something is that grey area, just don't do it. It's not going to make or break your gameplay experience.

>>My point which you responded to is that it's perfectly acceptable to do that and some people want to Min/Max their experience drains. Just because you don't doesn't make it any less valid for someone to go idle drain. For people wanting to maximize their experience based on their time frames, idling in game for an hour is the optimal way to go. Based on the original post, I'm venturing to say he cares about this.

Yeah, it's a valid way to play.

At the same time, if you think it's a huge policy concern, just don't do it.

Or have massive threads discussing the deeper philosophical nuances of policy, I guess.

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>>Just play the game for fun, don't stress out over that stuff, and don't bother trying to maximize your experience gain.

For some people (MOST people probably), maximizing experience gain is what makes the game fun, and your suggestion is completely worthless. That's great if you enjoy the game without caring about succeeding in pvp or invasions or just plain old watching the numbers grow, but don't expect everyone else to enjoy the same things as you. Personally I'd rather quit the game than follow your suggestions for what makes the game "fun", but that's just my opinion of I find fun in a game

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How anybody feels about idle drain isn't terribly important.

But idle characters are incapable of contributing anything -- except the who list -- at best, and an annoyance at worst.

I'd be nice if the offline drain actually eliminated any reason to do it.

IIRC, a big (only?) reason why offline drain is set up at the rate its set up is to make it so people can't just log in, lock a character, log out, lock another, etc etc etc effectively training a bigger horde of characters at the same time.

Would be cool if offline drain only worked for one character at a time on an account, or the last logged out character, or something.

Having offline drain be the same as idle drain would be pretty awesome.

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>>But idle characters are incapable of contributing anything -- except the who list -- at best, and an annoyance at worst.

Came to say this. I understand why people do it, but the game's nature means it already suffers heavily from players barely paying attention while they run their combat or magic scripts (something I often do myself sometimes). Would be nice if they set idle drain equal to normal drain so there was no incentive to stay logged in the game knowing you're not attentive.

>Sounds like a good idea for a microstrans item, rub it and absorb all of your field exp, $.99.

That is not nearly expensive enough. The outcry of this being for sale would be bad enough, but I just foresee people using five or ten per day to insta-drain and keep training skills.

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>>Sounds like a good idea for a microstrans item, rub it and absorb all of your field exp, $.99.

Add a restriction, can only be used within 60 seconds of logging in, after being logged out for an hour. (I have no idea if this is even possible)

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>>make offline drain = online drain a premium benefit, or 5 bucks a month (all characters on that account) from the Scion store

Monetizing poor game design, like offering incentives for players to stay logged in when they are inactive, would be a pretty crappy thing to do IMO. Just fix it.