Ok before someone assumes this has affected me in any way shape or form... you would be wrong.

>steal ***
As you begin to reach towards ***, you hesitate.
[Stealing from another player signifies your willingness to engage in Player versus Player conflict, and as such will set and lock your PvP stance Open. If you're sure, perform the action again in the next fifteen seconds. If you don't understand what this means, type PROFILE HELP PVP.]

H>steal ***
[Your profile setting has been locked Open for at least the next four hours. Further player stealing will reset this timer but not message you.]


ok I get this, yes it makes sense and thats fine. Makes a lot of sense that when I steal from 1 person, EVERY person in the WHOLE game gets to kill me!

Yet....

>snipe ***
You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving well, you snipe a barbed arrow at *. * attempts to evade, taking the full blow. The arrow lands an earth-shaking strike that partially splits the sternum, snapping some ribs surrounding the heart.


Hmmm strange! I just murdered someone with a snipe... and I dont get set to open.


Sorry but someone really needs to rethink this. It makes no sense AT ALL. Either BOTH should set you open, or neither should. But the whole idea that stealing from someone should make you open game for everyone, but murdering people is fine and shouldnt is absurd

>>Just as an FYI more and more systems are being integrated with the PROFILE system. It just takes time to make sure proper hooks are in place and don't make things asplode.

>>Sure would be nice if we could just snap our fingers and everything magically coded themselves into the PROFILE system. Along with the 50 bazillion other things on the Dev team's plate.

>>GM Turmis


My apologies. I wasnt aware that the PROFILE system was a brand new thing.

<<>>My apologies. I wasnt aware that the PROFILE system was a brand new thing

You might consider dialing down the douschery until you educate yourself.

The reason, at the moment, that SNIPE doesn't set you to open immediately whereas STEAL does is that you are required to have consent before you SNIPE but you are not required to have any for STEAL.

That being said, we plan to integrate PvP attacks more into the profile system when we can.

-Z

>>Is it worth setting yourself to open to everyone else if you have consent on someone and want to snipe them? Suddenly they sick all there higher level buddies on you because you sniped and didnt have consent before.

Not if you view being Open as the worst thing that can be done to mankind.

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Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

>>The moral of the story is don't be a jerk IG and get set to open or it all comes back on you ten times worse.

I'd argue instead that the moral of the story is to not be a jerk IG unless you can handle other people being a jerk back to you. Kind of like the golden rule, treat others as you want to be treated.

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It's fun until one of your reports goes to me. Then it's not so fun anymore.


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[Melete] There's a beard integer, but it frightens me.

People use in game aggression for more then just regulating in Game actions. They also attempt to regulate someone's posting style with in game retribution, like the two have anything to do with each other.

See : http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=2&topic=9&message=4901

Yamcer

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"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF

lol so gullible and naive, Yamcer.

I've never been the type of player to kill someone over something OOC or randomly. It's amazing how people get so accusative over that simple question. It's funny.

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Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

>>This.

Ignorance is Bliss

Back on topic - Being set to open. Not posting styles and potential ramifications.


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>The only time getting "set to open" sucks for an antagonistic player is if they're trying to play policy games with other characters and get away with crap that should get them killed in the first place.

>This.

~Sulakhan

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"Under the sword lifted high, there is hell making you tremble. But go ahead, and you have the land of bliss."

~Miyamoto Musashi

I like to think of these stories as wonderful examples to learn from for people who have not really experienced 'griefing' as anything other than being the initiator, and they are great validation of how the change is working as intended.

-Z

Still being set open for stealing, but not for PvP actions is ridiculous. If you were going to roll out changes maybe make them all at the same time or in a short period of time. Ruined Trader hunting as they script away for me. If I can just kill someone but not be open, then taking some coins/gems from them and being open doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's just my opinion, but the more major hurt of someones day should have probably been coded first.

the casual grab for the pockets <i.e. front of the bank stuff> is gone for good. however, you can still "work" the traders. just select carefully, and then after you're done, go chill out in the passages or the guild like thieves used to do back in the early days of the game.

If you're in it for the money though, shoplifting is the way to go. most traders that make significant coin have moneybelts.

CVC <Yeah, I still use the old term- Character vs Character should NOT equal player vs player> stealing doesn't teach for squat though. thats the part thats hard to take. because of the legacy of the old "steal each other blind" in the guildhall. That part wasn't "ganking" of people, that was genuine RP and fun for the folks that participated, as all knew going in what was going on and what was going to happen, and either brought coins if they thought they could keep 'em, or didn't. And thats the part that shouldn't have gotten the "profile" tweak.

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You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath

for stealing anywhere other than inside the thieves guild, i would agree. But I still feel that stealing thief on thief inside the thieves guild should not set a character to "open".

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You've seen life through distorted eyes;You know you had to learn;The execution of your mind;You really had to turn;,the book is read,The end begins to show,The truth is out, the lies are old, But you don't want to know - Black Sabbath

Tweak the experience for stealing from players in direct proportion to the target's perception. Put a lengthy cooldown on learning stealing from players.

If you get caught, you learn nothing.

As a non-thief, having the danger of being stolen from adds to the game.

The main other thing that would set you open is attacking other players a certain amount of times. Stealing is the most 'important' one to be there because you can do it without any consent or permission, meaning you're allowed to generically victimize people without things like warnings.

-Z

If you're so bent on gaining Stealing experience with no recourse from justice and/or players why not just utilize the TEACH system from inside the guild?

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http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com

>>For the record, I have never been ganked on my thief who has been open since 1st circle. It looks like people are doing something wrong if they are getting killed once being set open.

The desire to enter the role of the victim is a strong one in modern society. Sartre spilt a lot of ink on the topic, if you're interested.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas