c) A seconded thanks.

d) no celpeze on that list?

e) get back to paladin stuff!


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f) I don't see moneygrubbers/tightwads on that list. It's my understanding that they were using the proper mechanics to do their coin stun attack. And yet they were hitting me with 930 evasion and 99 reflex stanced 100% to evasion with minimal burden and armor hinderance. Is it intended that this attack is essentially impossible to dodge? And if this is an example of a special attack working correctly... hunting just got a whole lot more interesting.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

>I think that was evil traders

Missed that, thanks.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

>Sun Vultures could use a look.

Heh.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

The vipers are just trying to tell you to train shield.


~ Purehand

>collect coin
You manage to collect a pile of coin.
Roundtime: 30 sec.

... Jackpot.

Dart,

You might want to have this added to the in game news for people who don't check the boards regularly.

Kali

>>I suppose you've all missed the point. Vipers no longer teach me Evasion. Or MO. Or Shield. Or TM. Or really anything that I'm not backtraining.
>>Yet their special attack can still kill me. That's a problem.

I think you have the wrong person who missed the point. Allow me to point out your problem:

>>Using 182 ranks of Evasion (no Shield) and 46 Reflex I'm back to getting these

There are plenty of creatures in that range. Sometimes you have to move out of the province you're in. Better get used to it now.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

2-defense game, this shouldn't take any explaining.

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"I am well versed in being a Warrior Mage. Cast Thunderclap. Throw weapon. If miss, report the target for cheating."

>>I could, but the problem doesn't just apply to just me, on this character, at this particular juncture in time. I can easily go elsewhere and train. But there are almost no hunting areas in that range where you can train through. Small peccs in Lang is okay, but if you end up with a few swamp trolls you're going to struggle a bit compared to a few peccs, which are a breeze.

Snow Goblins, Swains, Hatchlings, Peccs, Daytime Barghs, Latami, Heggarangi Boars, Lesser Shadow Hounds, Wormwood Vines,Crossing Thugs all teach in the same general ranks as Vipers, some maybe a little above, some maybe a little below but saying that there's nothing else to hunt is silly and ignorant.

>>Snow Goblins, Swains, Hatchlings, Peccs, Daytime Barghs, Latami, Heggarangi Boars, Lesser Shadow Hounds, Wormwood Vines,Crossing Thugs all teach in the same general ranks as Vipers, some maybe a little above, some maybe a little below but saying that there's nothing else to hunt is silly and ignorant.

Each of these has its own issues, of course.

My complaint really stems from the fact that this means that there is a significant overlap between where you can get hit by the viper's poison attack and where they will not be able to physically hit you under normal circumstances.

I happen to feel that is poor design.

I had my evasion set as low as I could and still occasionally parry, for reference, since that is the skill I am backtraining there. Well, that and Brawling.

>>Each of these has its own issues, of course.

Every creature in the realms has it's own issues.

>>My complaint really stems from the fact that this means that there is a significant overlap between where you can get hit by the viper's poison attack and where they will not be able to physically hit you under normal circumstances.

>>I happen to feel that is poor design.

>>I had my evasion set as low as I could and still occasionally parry, for reference, since that is the skill I am backtraining there. Well, that and Brawling.

/facedesk

>>So you're telling us that you are not using shield, are just barely on the edge of not learning evasion and on top of that you're stancing down evasion to learn parry. The viper attack is fine, you just don't seem to know how the system works.

Not at all. Let's try this again:

I have stanced Evasion down to the point where I will occasionally -- once every five attacks or so -- parry an attack so I can keep parry moving.

I would not be learning Evasion in vipers either way. My Evasion, MO and Shield are adequate for red leucros. My parry, however, is not.

Look at it this way: with 182 Evasion, I evade 4/5 physical attacks and am only forced to parry 1/5. I am, however, now relying on my balaclava to protect me from poison over half the time, possibly as much as 3/4 of the time.

Do you not see how that sort of overlap is problematic?

182 evasion is just barely over what Vipers teach to. When you stance down evasion you're lowering your effective evasion. Add on to that that you can't parry spit, only shield block it, you're giving yourself more of a problem.

It's been explained to you before, you need shield to effectively block viper spit unless you over class them by more than a few ranks in evasion. If you have a problem with it hop on a boat to Aesry and hunt snow goblins. They don't have any special attacks you can complain about.

>>Do you not see how that sort of overlap is problematic?

I think you're the only one that sees a problem

To clarify, this means that in 1 of every 5 attacks your evasion is blocking less than half the attack, assuming the numbers you gave are accurate.

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"I am well versed in being a Warrior Mage. Cast Thunderclap. Throw weapon. If miss, report the target for cheating."

<<That difference is troubling, to say the least. I would expect the rate I evade the viper's physical attacks to be directly analogous to the rate at which I evade their special attacks. I'm not sure why any of you consider this unreasonable.>>

Two-defense game. You're using two defenses against the melee attacks, even when you evade (because again, it only shows messaging for the one that blocked most of the incoming attack). When they use an attack that ignores the second defense, you get hit.

If I had to guess I'd say that stancing parry to zero would result in you taking some hits too.

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"I am well versed in being a Warrior Mage. Cast Thunderclap. Throw weapon. If miss, report the target for cheating."

>>I'm not sure why any of you consider this unreasonable.

Because we understand how the system works. Pay attention to what others are posting and you might too.

tl;dr:

Your daily dose of common sense: Don't backtrain parry on ranged using critters.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

>>Do you not see how that sort of overlap is problematic?<<

No. You're done in vipers. Time to move on. Of course the viper spit attack is going to nail you when A.) You stance evasion down, and B.) You try to parry a spitting attack.

Vipers are not designed to teach Parry. Consider it a ranged attack only worse. Imagine yourself holding a sword in your back yard while someone sprays you with a garden hose. Good luck staying dry. Now imagine you have a tower shield and someone turns the hose on you. There's a vast difference there.

Your only options on the spit attack are to block with a shield or dodge using evasion. Parrying a liquid is... futile. There are dozens of creatures in other areas that train shield, parry, evasion, skinning, and whatever else you want to train extremely well. I trained extensively in vipers with several characters, and had to backtrain parry elsewhere.

Good luck. Now, move along, nothing more to see here...


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You flat out, absolutely, 100% have no idea what you're talking about.

Solomon

What was it that shut down the forest bandit area? Didn't they have a special attack or something that was wonky? I would love to see them come out and play.


~ Purehand

>collect coin
You manage to collect a pile of coin.
Roundtime: 30 sec.

... Jackpot.

Most of the people I've talked to today have been noticing that the ruby drops in dobeks are about half of what they normally are, maybe even a little less than half. Is that related to this change? The joke around Ratha is that their special attack was changed to ruby witholding rather than stinging. :D


~Kattena

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A gestalt draugen swipes a hooked leonine claw at Silus. The claw lands a solid hit that cuts deeply into his groin!

Scavenger trolls are now FANTASTIC weapon thieves. They're edging towards the lower end of my range and nailing me with it consistently.