<<And since this is going to get asked eventually... is it possible that this could apply to held items when you die as well?

P.S. I've mentioned it in the other thread, but I'd like to add disarmed items to this suggestion as well if they normally land on the ground. E.g. Mental Blast, Tingle, losing a hand, etc.

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<<There might need to be a special release mechanics for this. I can picture someone losing a hand, being too injured to pick something up, and then bleeding to death because they can't leave. Also, though less likely, this could be used to temporarily keep someone from running away via disarming.

I think the auto-pick up with a 1 sec rt on movement that was suggested in the other thread would work to solve a few of those issues. As for not being able to pick something up because of lack of working hands... perhaps KICK FEET would work to clear your foot slot. E.g.

>kick feet
You kick a gladius, throwing hammer, and kitchen sink out of your way so you don't inadvertently trip over them.

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So what happens when a thrown weapon lodges, does it somehow appear at my feet? Or is it still stuck in the mob and this is where bonding potions come in hand?

If part of this whole foot slot for thrown is to help get rid of thrown weapons being lost on crash, it needs to be made so bonded weapons are automatically brought back to the hand on throw. Add the 1 second RT from invoking the bond to the throw and put in a line that says and it mystically returns to you as if it belongs in your hands. I've lost my axe more than once in a crash or my connection failing and the last hit the axe lodged.

<<If part of this whole foot slot for thrown is to help get rid of thrown weapons being lost on crash, it needs to be made so bonded weapons are automatically brought back to the hand on throw. Add the 1 second RT from invoking the bond to the throw and put in a line that says and it mystically returns to you as if it belongs in your hands. I've lost my axe more than once in a crash or my connection failing and the last hit the axe lodged.

Use LOB to throw your weapons. Lobbing them guarantees that they won't lodge, regardless of the type and how often it normally lodges. The reverse is HURL if you want to guarantees that a weapon will lodge, regardless of the type.

<<Most disarm mechanics like tingle et-al already have an auto-pickup after the RT for the effect wears off.

This must be relatively new and specific to PvP? I don't engage in combat with other players and the times I've been Mental Blasted or Tingled to drop a cursed box didn't cause it to return to my hand after the rt. The last time I had this done was quite a while before 3.0 and I wasn't around during most of 3.0, however, so I'm going to assume a change was put in sometime during that timeframe?

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>I watched a guy outside the empaths guild lobbing cupcakes at people and he lodged two of them in about 5 minutes. So unless it was a bug, lobbing can lodge with enough skill I know he had a little over 1k in LT. (they were tasty cupcakes tho)

I don't think so. There was an issue with HURL lodging items that weren't intended, but I've never heard of this with LOB.

This doesn't seem to be happening just in test, but haven't been using thrown and don't recall this happening before.

But I've been using 'throw left' as my command to execute the weapon thrown, and throwing stacks and sometimes I'll throw a couple or a few, and long and short of it. Throw left command will throw your primary weapon if nothing is in your left hand.

Is this intended?

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Whoops, sorry couldn't find if I put it out there, and my stream of conscious lead me to posting about it.

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<<* DEPART ITEMS will keep items at your feet. Other DEPARTs will not

Not in a position to test right at this exact moment... but to clarify this, will DEPART FULL keep items at your feet too? And DEPART while under newbie item protection will do so as well? Or is it literally only the use of DEPART ITEMS that will keep it there when departing?

Everything else looks good at a glance. I'll do some quick testing in a bit.

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I've done a bit more testing and there's a new bug whereby picking up a thrown item that was at your feet causes it to exist both in your hands and at your feet at the same time.

-GET or TAKE <thrown item> will cause this to happen. Using STOW to pick up the item at your feet does not cause the bug unless your stow container cannot be found or is closed or full, in which case the item ends up in your hand and the bug functions the same as though you had used GET. Presumably any verb that moves it from your feet to your hand (e.g. SLIP) will cause this, but I am unable to test.
-It fixes itself upon putting the item in a container or dropping the item.
-Using SWAP to switch hands does not fix the bug, although the item changes hands as expected.
-There was no one around to test with, but I presume GIVE would work to fix it as well.
-Verbs like TAP message as though the item were in your hand.
-Verbs like WAVE message as though the item were worn.
-Movement verbs such as directional movement, HUNT, and SNEAK message as though it is at your feet.
-LOOK shows the item both in your hand and lying at your feet.
-Throwing it again does not cause further duplication, so you don't end up with multiple items lying at your feet.
-I was not able to figure out a way to permanently cause it to be a duplicated item, so it appears it is just a single item living a dual existence.
-Using a portal (and presumably other methods of moving that let you keep items at your feet) does not fix the bug.

Testing the DEPART stuff now, but I thought I'd give the heads up on this first.

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Okay, I haven't found anything weird about DEPART and items at feet. It all seems to be working as intended. From a non-necromancer stand point that is. I don't know how their depart mechanics would or should interact with it.

One thing to note: dying does not cause the aforementioned duplicate item bug to be fixed. ;)

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<<Odd. I cannot duplicate it, but I have made a few tweaks since earlier. Can you please retest for me?

Yup, seems fine now.

<<I have also added LOWER <item> GROUND or LOWER <item> TO GROUND. This allows you to place items at your feet! Should help with some of the fun crafting juggling folks get themselves into. I'll be taking FULL advantage of this for crafting soon...

VERY nice addition! Although... when doing this with foraged grass, the grass just disappears. Poof! (Actually it goes into my worn inventory as per the log just below.) It only does this when there's grass on the ground in the room.

> lower grass ground

You aren't holding the grass. <--- the bug occurs when this message happens
You lower the grass and place it on the ground at your feet.

> invfix

Checking your inventory
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to left hand ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
.
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
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Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
....................
Unattached item, some grass on you.
Moving to the ground ... set.
Done


I also tested this just to make sure there wasn't any weird interaction with instruments, since they already use LOWER <instrument> to place it on the ground without damage. Happy to report that they play together well. (Pun fully intended!)

Side note: LOWER <instrument> seems to not bother to check where it actually is. I.e. if it is already on the ground it still messages that you are putting it on the ground. Not really a big deal, and likely is a relic of the old verb rather than a new addtion. And since it is interacting fine with the new LOWER mechanic I think touching it would be bad. ;)

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<<Should now be working. Keep in mind that stuff At Your Feet is considered ON YOU. So if you have Grass at your feet and in your hand, and you LOWER GRASS GROUND, it will default to the most recently interacted-with grass. ie. the stuff on the ground.

<<You will need to LOWER OTHER GRASS GROUND to make it work properly. Hope that makes sense..

Yup, although I think that should only be necessary if they were both in hand before lowering the first.

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That is correct. I cannot allow folks to go sidestepping everything with this :P Technically you are guarding the items with your body, and that becomes more difficulty the larger and heavier that stuff is.

I'm adjusting the verb so you get the following:


LOWER [WEAPON] - roleplay verb
LOWER GROUND - places item in right hand at your feet
LOWER GROUND RIGHT/LEFT - place item in indicated hand at your feet


Should reduce the parsing difficulty.

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<<Could this be changed to null the teleport/movement aspect of hunt, rather than the 'looking for enemies' aspect?

I thought of this too, but I suspect it's the way it is because he can only distinguish at the level of the verb, not at the level of the modifiers. Ideally, of course, I would like this to happen too.

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If I adjust a shield to armworn I can set it at my feet and block attacks with it. Then again, I'm getting the armor hinderance for it at my feet as well, so this is more of a novelty than an actual exploit. I assume a parry stick would work the same way, but I don't have a way to purchase one. If I lower one shield and armwear another the messaging indicates that I'm blocking with the armworn one, but I do get hinderance for both. I lowered my workcoat to the ground and I was definitely still getting the hinderance for it. I'm not sure if it was providing any protection.

If I'm holding two of the same item and I have one at my feet, the get verb defaults to the one in my hand. It would be great if it defaulted to the one at my feet since that'll be the one I want to reference 99% of the time.

When I got arrested, the item at my feet correctly appeared in my sack.

Overall, I love this verb/mechanic and I think it has a ton of potential. For instance, I never used my cambrinth pyramid because I always feared a crash. I assume I could use this at my feet and it would remain in my inventory during a crash.

<<<<For instance, I never used my cambrinth pyramid because I always feared a crash. I assume I could use this at my feet and it would remain in my inventory during a crash.

I don't think it would work like this without additional coding, since it's not actually on the ground but on your person.

<<There's a potential issue with foraging as well. I can forage and lower a bunch of items to the ground. When I get enough items at my feet I can no longer forage. However, I'm guessing this would also prevent others from foraging. If so, that would be very confusing because you could get the 'too cluttered' message with no items visible. Doubly so if I hide after lowering the items to the ground. Is there a way to apply this only to the one character?

Are you sure you are getting the 'room is too cluttered to find anything here' foraging message and not the 'too cluttered to put anything else at your feet' message when reaching the 15 item at your feet limit?

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>>It would be great if it defaulted to the one at my feet

We have no control over that. It is just a function of the core engine.

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It was working fine with the multiple blades, you know the stacks of blades... I haven't gotten back into test.

Only thing that to me was annoying was if I was just pounding out the throw left command, suddenly my right handed weapon would be thrown if I had nothing else to throw.


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>>suddenly my right handed weapon would be thrown if I had nothing else to throw.

I am aware of the bug, but it isn't something I can easily fix right now.

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