I went with these because someone said they'd be super light and still protect fairly well. Stealth and Survival prime so it seemed to make the most sense:

The ring gloves are chain armor.

The gloves look like they offer protection for the following areas:

right hand
left hand

You feel certain that some audrualm ring gloves appear to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance and insignificant stealth hindrance, offering:
moderate protection and great damage absorption for puncture attacks.
good protection and great damage absorption for slice attacks.
moderate protection and great damage absorption for impact attacks.
good protection and very high damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and very high damage absorption for cold attacks.
low protection and moderate damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing some audrualm ring gloves your maneuvering would be barely hindered and your stealth would be minimally hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly hindered and your stealth is insignificantly hindered.

You are certain that the ring gloves are a bit safeguarded against damage, and are practically in mint condition.

The ring gloves are made with metal.
The ring gloves are quite supple.
You are certain that the ring gloves weighs exactly 16 stones.
You are certain that the ring gloves are worth exactly 122074 Dokoras.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.


>app bala
The ring balaclava is chain armor.

The balaclava looks like it offers protection for the following areas:

head
neck
right eye
left eye

You feel certain that an audrualm ring balaclava appears to impose insignificant maneuvering hindrance and insignificant stealth hindrance, offering:
moderate protection and great damage absorption for puncture attacks.
good protection and great damage absorption for slice attacks.
moderate protection and great damage absorption for impact attacks.
good protection and very high damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and very high damage absorption for cold attacks.
low protection and moderate damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing an audrualm ring balaclava your maneuvering would be barely hindered and your stealth would be barely hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly hindered and your stealth is insignificantly hindered.

You are certain that the ring balaclava is a bit safeguarded against damage, and is practically in mint condition.

The ring balaclava is made with metal.
The ring balaclava is quite supple.
You are certain that the ring balaclava weighs exactly 43 stones.
You are certain that the ring balaclava is worth exactly 369890 Dokoras.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.


When I can finally find someone with enough metal to make the hauberk (and I can afford to buy that much audrualm, hahaha) I'll get that too.


-O

I think stealth hinderance is based on armor class? (or atleast it was). Would like some clarification myself.

So if the above is right, higher density chain will have the same stealth hinderance as lower density chain. I just started messing around with it so the only evidence I have is that the above hauberk at 600+ stones had the same stealth hinderance as a 400+ stone tyrium hauberk

Also I just checked back a few posts and Kraggur posted a Audaudrualm hauberk at 333 stones and that too had the same stealth hinderance as well, so it "appears" to be correct.

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

You analyze every minute detail of the ring balaclava and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a type of finished metal chain armor that is masterfully-crafted.
The balaclava is a simple piece to make.
It was made by someone with a bit less skill than your own.
About 16 volume of metal was used in this item's construction.
The metal appears to be composed of: 68.57% audrualm, and 31.42% tin.
You find it impossible to identify who crafted this item.
The metal appears to have been slowly tempered to improve its durability.
Grind marks along the edge of the armor indicate it was lightend to reduce its weight.
Roundtime: 10 sec.

You analyze every minute detail of the ring gloves and smile knowingly to yourself.
These appear to be a type of finished metal chain armor that are masterfully-crafted.
The gloves are a very easy piece to make.
It was made by someone with a bit less skill than your own.
About 6 volume of metal was used in this item's construction.
The metal appears to be composed of: 71.43% audrualm, and 28.57% tin.
You find it impossible to identify who crafted this item.
The metal appears to have been slowly tempered to improve its durability.
Grind marks along the edge of the armor indicate it was lightend to reduce its weight.
Roundtime: 10 sec.

Tempered and lightened, Elfverhan made em I think, or Zozuskar. Cant remember, one of those tincans.

-O

>>Audrualm should be a density of 3, and tin should also be a density of 3. Am I missing something?


Lighten armor will bring it under 3 density. That is most likely what they are refering to.

The bucket burbles suddenly as its contents begin to dissolve....

Suddenly it spits out some niniam field plate onto the floor.

>>Lighten armor will bring it under 3 density. That is most likely what they are refering to.

Once armor is crafted, you can lighten it no matter what its weight is. The 3.0 density only applies to when you try to pound an ingot

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Oops.. looks like that is unintended. Though, I am unlikely to fix it given that it already exists and won't really break things the way weapons do.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

For lowest stealth hindrance, your best bet is going to be lightweight lumium. A (lightened) lumium ring hauberk has a stealth hindrance of 7 and a weight of 228.

Other metals also have a stealth hindrance of 7 though, so there isn't that much difference. This includes steel and covellite, although both are heavier (350-360) and with lower elemental absorptions. Unfortunately I don't have stealth hindrance data on damite, but I assume it will be more.

You can often find a seller for lumium at about 1 plat per volume, or you could try to mine for the lumium yourself, or find a smith with pieces already made. Finding a smith is really your best bet rather than going with storebought, because storebought is so inferior at this point.


-- Player of Eyuve

Doesn't weight affect stealth in of it self? IE burden from weight etc.

>>Last word was that stealth hinderance is determined entirely by armor type and coverage, and not material or weight: so chain stealth hinderance should be the same no matter what it's made of.

Oh great, thanks. I must have missed this. I will have to re-appraise some things...


-- Player of Eyuve

Ok so did the test:

90 physical hauberk, 3 density and lighted, weight = 243 stones
If you were only wearing a lumium mail hauberk your maneuvering would be insignificantly hindered and your stealth would be fairly hindered.

90 physical hauberk, 6.32 density and reinforced, weight = 681 stones
If you were only wearing a steel mail hauberk your maneuvering would be lightly hindered and your stealth would be fairly hindered.

In retrospect I should of made a lumium ring hauberk, not sure why I didn't except that I didn't think about it, maybe I will make one tomorrow but at least it's a good example that weight doesn't appear to make a difference in stealth hindrance.


Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

So I should wait before you make changes. If any armor forgers out there, think or know they have great light weight chain armor, with low stealth hindrance and still decent protection. Please contact me in game.

Kitarro

Here we go,

lumium ring hauberk, lightened, weight= 189 stones:

If you were only wearing a lumium ring hauberk you could expect your maneuvering to be minimally hindered and your stealth to be fairly hindered.

>>I'll be making some tweaks to that soon. Not sure why the original designers didn't have hindrance affect it :/

So curious, are you going to make the top end have more stealth hinderance or the low end have less?

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

Thanks for all the help with chain armor. I finally got me a decent set. Thanks.

I'd love to rewrite stealth a bit so there are penalties other than -% skill to hiding. Increased RTs for doing actions in hiding, durational effects that give a fatigue, to-hit, defense or other penalties and so on. We'll see where it ends up going.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>Chain stealth hinderance is already unfeasible for moon mages. It'd be nice if there was a cap to the penalty -- for all armors as that goes. My guild is supposed to be stealthy but I don't hide at all anymore against anything or anyone that matters. I use invis just to buy a couple of seconds of people searching/screwing up there aims/etc due to mechanics, but actually hiding to be hidden? It's not remotely worth the trade off between cloth and LC, which are my choices as a MM.


I have to agree with this, hiding in chain borderlines the impossible for everyone but Thief (who daresay have an insane number of Stealth perks to begin with, even for a primary...) - The fact they're the only one that reliably do this is doubly worrysome because it gives the best hiders in the game the choice of toting some of the best armor in the game to boot.

Any kind of global stealth nerfs are likely to hurt the secondaries/tertiaries far more than the primaries, who already have a fairly ridiculous edge in the hiding department to begin with.

>>I have to agree with this, hiding in chain borderlines the impossible for everyone but Thief<<

That's news to me.

Stealth: 1179 94% very rapt

I'm a barbarian.

Or swap between cloth and chain....cloth when training stealth, chain when not....

>>Pretty awesome to have all those barrier and damage reduction abilities you can stack on top of all that top-end armor you have access to as well.

I wasn't going to but couldn't resist after that.

Stealth: 273 85.32% clear (0/34)

The bucket burbles suddenly as its contents begin to dissolve....

Suddenly it spits out some niniam field plate onto the floor.

<< I would gladly trade all the armor-based stealth hindrances for access to the magic skillset with my thief. Pretty awesome to have all those barries and damage reduction abilities you can stack on top of all that top-end armor you have access to as well. Guess I'm just being petty and jealous though :/

I think you're pretty dead on. I get jealous of thieves (and rangers) who learn skinning like water, but not enough to give up magic.

I believe it is Buuwl. They just didnt feel like messing with Khri system since it was working well enough for now and they had a lot of things on the plate. Can't imagine thieves will be the only class locked out from the skillset, with barbs having it and traders 'soon' to get actual spells. Not how far down the road it is though, probably well beyond the horizon.