Thanks for the heads up, Rigby.

Shaunn

Any hints on what factors are included in order to stay awake?

winkwinknudgenudge

Shaunn

First, glad to have it back and even more glad to be able to stay awake.

I'm still toying with it so I'll prolly post again later but had a request...would it be possible to be able to set our avoids while asleep...since they are rather OOC anyway?

~Maddie

No checks for this! Heart link signifies that you should run! Run like a stage full of Japanese extras in the wake of the onslaught that is Godzilla. Fear me!

Shaunn

>The spell can be used as a combat (PvP) aid, just as Nissa herself used it to put many to sleep and rescue a child. Putting such a check in would defeat that purpose.

If its used for pvp, then there should be a way to resist it, other than don't get heart linked.


>Rigby, how about letting us learn some TM from this spell (or possibly) innocence, since TM is still factored into our overall magic score and we have no active way to learn it unless we use a spell scroll (which are hard for many Empaths to come by).

Or ...not, since TM is damaging spells. (if ema ever gets fixed <scowl>)

Hmm not to be a party-pooper, cause I like resisting sleeping just fine, but are you guys sure that's the way you want NB to be working?


Oh and er why is it I can still teach/be taught while I'm asleep, but can't do the ooc things like find another player and stuff like that.

Paschein's player..

Rigby,

I am happy with Nissa's Binding as it is now. Thank you. This praise and gratitude from a grumpy ol' path who doesn't think NB is a spell I need, anyways, but who does indeed see a great great improvement in it and I'm ever grateful for that.

If such a preview is a taste of what is to come with our Empath spells, then I'm utterly delighted and in awe of you, too.

My thanks go also to Lorienne, for being focused on truly worthwhile and helpful endeavors for our guild (which has long been in 'wait for such things)!

I cannot pass on this opportunity to say that I am also very pleased with regenerate...a new to me spell since it wasn't around before I left the realms for my long sabbatical. Tis wonderful.

Though I am disappointed we can't stack refresh or raise power, am not surprised. It expected. I don't when it was untweaked, but I do remember that tweak once before when the spell first came out.

Anyhow, enough of babble from this 'path that is likely bothering you. Now I can only hope for further enhancements...hopefully something to help with multiple-ops since empaths learn that skill so dreadfully slow (tis such a hinderence to be beat up by critters in multiples dispite being unable to learn evasion or parry from them).

Thanks much to you both!

~Amorisse

<<As it is, it requires a big chunk of mana comparitively, relative to other spells in other guilds.>>

I have no problem with NB, but I really wish people wouldn't go off making statements like this. I have to cast quite a few of my spells at over 50 mana to get useful effects out of them, and I really doubt you're casting NB at 70 or 80 mana.

Also... I hope this part:

<<I highly doubt we're going to have snert empaths causing any trouble any more than we'd have snert snipers causing trouble. Such stuff doesn't happen in the realms. We are all friends in this one big lovey-dovey world.>>

was a joke.

p.p.s. the best use for Nissa's Binding, as I see it, may be hubby control. ::chuckles softly::

Yes. That's it. No joke. I never joke. I don't even know what I joke is. I sit here grumbly and uptight and fidgetty in front of a 'puter to play a game that I think is unfair and unrealistic and run by people who want to make my life miserable. There is no such thing as humor! That is not why I play DR! I have a right as a paying customer to avoid humor as much as I want. I have a right to cry foul every time anyone other than I gets something that seems special. Only I am special. Yes. Me. Of course this is not a joke. What kind of sick joke do you think I'd pull? It is totally normal to rant and moan about such things as arbitrary as game mechanics. I mean, sheesh, DR is a God-given right I tell you! This GMs work for us, the people: The ones who keep them in business! Now I really have a complaint going, and I'm going to go post in a few other guild's folders, too, to tell them how rude they are to have good spells and not look after me the moment I want them to!

::walks away shaking head and stomping feet, muttering, "Can y' believe it?? A joke of all things! When will the madness stop? When?" and shaking a fist at the sky imploringly:::

Disclaimer: this post is an utterly random and fictional diatribe in reaction to absolutely no other post or poster. Any resemblence to any other persons, whether real or role-played, is purely coincidental.

>cast
You gesture.
You feel <Patient> fall under the effects of your spell.
Your spell does not affect the sleeping <Patient>.
You feel a wave of lethargy wash over you, and fall into a deep sleep.

As far as I can tell, the patient did get affected... so what's the double message? Is that in case you try to cast a Nissa's Binding on someone who's already asleep? He wasn't asleep before it was cast, as indicated in the first line...

- Shavay, Whistling Healer

<<As it stands, I'd never be able to use it to save a life. Using Heart Link and transfering the wounds alone is much much faster than waiting to prep Nissa's Binding.>>

Sure you could...you can snap cast it at minimum prep...you'll just fall asleep along with the patient.

~Maddie

Hi :) Hope all is well out in GM land. I have a couple questions about these two empath spells, heart link and nissa's binding I was hoping you might have a chance to address...or look at, please:

on Heart Link...could it be just slightly more quickly castable? With mid savant magic and minimum prep, it still needs to be timed out. Can you make it a bit easier to cast as it's a life saving spell and can't be used as such if must wait to cast.

on Nissa's Binding... could the time the person sleeps please please please be significicantly lowered? If I prep it at 10 and cast it, yes, the sleep is short, but I sleep also. I don't want to sleep also in most circumstances..that would cause me to be unable to heal or do anything. If I add 20 mana to it, I don't sleep, but my patient will sleep for a long long time...quite annoying.

I know some are concerned about the misuse of this spell, but there are those of us who'd use it responsibility and would take the in game repercussions like big kids and not cry about it if we did use the spell in any agressive way... Let this spell not be one with limited capabilities. Sure it was interesting to put Grishnok to sleep whenever he was dumb enough to show himself to me...but there are only so many big dumb goblins out there (hehe...no offense to Grishy's player...I just have a thing against goblins who steal my head).

Anyhow, I don't want to 'cause an uproar...just want to see if you'd reconsider how Nissa's Binding works and also how quickly heart link is cast.

Oh, and for the empath falling asleep when cast at lower mana...can that have a delayed affect, like with Nissa herself? She didn't fall asleep until much later...

thank you for reading this :)

~*player of Amorisse, and others

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> on Nissa's Binding... could the time the person sleeps please please please be significicantly lowered? If I prep it at 10 and cast it, yes, the sleep is short, but I sleep also. I don't want to sleep also in most circumstances..that would cause me to be unable to heal or do anything. If I add 20 mana to it, I don't sleep, but my patient will sleep for a long long time...quite annoying.

Personally, rather than lowering the time to mana ratio, I'd change the way the non-sleeping feature works.

Rather than have whether the empath sleeps or not dependent on how much harness you pump into the spell, I think it should simply be based on your magic skills (And maybe some will versus will, and stats and other good stuff like that.)

This way you could still put a lot of mana into the spell and sleep someone for a long time if you wanted or put small mana for a short time without sleeping.

~Y

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>>So you are telling me that an empath has no way to get you prone so that Nissa's Binding can go to work? The last time I was effected by the spell I was taken to sleep standing up.

I believe it's a hybrid in that the SvS contest is only if you're standing. If you are sitting down or lying down NB assumes you're in need of help which makes the spell be considered beneficial and not contested. The only way I know that an Empath can bring you to prone or sitting is via brawling, but that's not to say they couldn't work in combo with a WM casting IP or a Ranger casting HB etc.

>>What would you say if melee attacks circumvented evasion or parry?

Like backstab? Or DFA spells circumventing shield? Sometimes there are going to be exceptions to the rule. Whether these exceptions should exist is another discussion entirely.


~Thilan

I think Galren ment shield is still contested while you are a sleep from other attacks.

Crusader Taghz

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.

>So heart link sleeps you if you sit or lie down? Is it immediate?

Not Heart Link, Nissa's Binding. HL is required to be cast first though. As mentioned earlier in the thread, HL slows down bleeding and poison and is usually beneficial in and of itself. If the Empath wins the NB contest and has sufficient skill then they could sleep you while you're standing standing and not sleep themself as well. If they don't have sufficient skill but still pass the NB contest you both sleep.

Asbhuan

Nissa's Binding needs two fixes, in my opinion.

1) Maximum duration needs to come down, or being attacked needs to wake the target up.

2) NB should only be castable for effect when the target is in the same room with the empath.

That would address all the PvP issues with the spell while leaving the beneficial effects, should the empath team want to go that way with the spell.

- Mazrian

>>1) Maximum duration needs to come down, or being attacked needs to wake the target up.

I do believe that there is already a chance for a sleeping target to wake up when attacked. I have no official opinion on the other points made as that's out of my area.

GM Oolan Jeel

"This island is made mainly of coal and surrounded by fish. Only an organizing genius could produce a shortage of coal and fish at the same time." Aneurin Bevan, May 1945, on World War II rationing and shortages in England.

>> Maybe.

Not maybe, true.

It's actually pretty bloody common, and very annoying when you're trying to hunt with it since it takes a lot of mana to keep casting.

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Weird ... I just wanted the spell to interact with defensive spells since it is used to attack people. I can handle death from bleeding, but being put to sleep while avengers are attacking you seemed overpowered.

Pelag ai Aldam Stolas

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